LOI and fineness of flyash

marcuss
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Posted in: , on 19. Jan. 2005 - 11:53

Dear Sirs,

I am investigating methods for measuring the Loss on Ignition and particle size distribution online on flyash in a CHP such as a coal fired boiler. Does anybody have suggestions about companies or techniques for this type of measurement and application?

I understand that this is not the correct FORUM for this type of question but I don´t know where to turn.

Regards

Marcus Svanberg

Carl Sabin
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Re-Send - Loi And Finess Of Flyash

Posted on 19. Jan. 2005 - 01:18

I cannot speak for measuring the LOI on-line but if you relate LOI to Particle size, My company have an on-line particle sizing system that is extensively used for Cement mill monitoring & control and is now being included in several applications for PF (Pulverised Fuel). The same system can be employed for dry powder measurement in the range 0.5-1000um and can also measure dilutable slurries.

Please contact me for more information about On-line measurement of particles.

carl.sabin@malvern.co.uk

azerrath
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Particle Size Distribution

Posted on 19. Jan. 2005 - 02:22

Dear Mr. Svanberg,

there are several methods to determine particle size distributions in fly ash.

Online determination can be done locally e.g. at a sample pipe from a chimney, by time-of-flight analysis. The particles suspended in the gas are sucked through an acceleration nozzle. The acceleration is dependent on the aerodynamic particle diameter. At the exit of the acceleration nozzle you have two laser beams. Particles cross the laser beams and produce two signals per particle. The time between the two signals determine the particle time-of-flight. These time-of-flight is correlated to the particle aerodynamic diameter and can be calibrated so that no mathematic algorithm is necessary. By overlapping the two laser beams you get an combined signal for each particle. This technology provides an automated correction for coincidence and false particle counting. In summary the time-of-flight technique using overlapping laser beams provide a very high size and time resolution, crucial for doing online-size determination.

Online determination can also be done by light scattering. That means that you have only one laser beam. A particle crossing this laser beam scatters the laser light. With complex mathematic calculation you get a size information from the scattered light. The disadvantage is that it is only a size information, not the actual particle size, because the scattered light depends on the particle material (which is complex in fly ash), like chemical composition and refractive index. Latter doesn't allow a direct calculation of the particle size from the amount of scatter light.

TSI is a very well known manufacturer of different techniques for particle size distribution determination. The time-of-flight technique with overlapping beams could be the best suitable technique for your issue and is realized in an instrument we call aerodynamic particle sizer (APS). See http://particle.tsi.com for further information.

There is much more to tell about particle size determination, but that wouldn't fit in this screen. Do not hesitate to ask further questions for more details.

Best wishes,

Axel Zerrath

Applications Engineer

Particle Instruments

TSI

axel.zerrath@tsi.com

Loi & Psd Online Measurement

Posted on 19. Jan. 2005 - 04:09

Dear Marcus,

To my knowledge there is not a readily available means for doing what you want. Particle size distribution (PSD) is one thing, and the other replies indicate what is feasible (they are respectable suppliers of such technology). However, online LOI analysis gets tricky, and probably would have to be linked to other parameters.

I have a lot of experience with offline LOI testing, and relating it to carbon determination results. This could be an option - investigating an on-line carbon determinator. It would have to be able to sample the solid particulate stream, and that is the tricky part. All the online analyzers I have seen sample gaseous content. For your particular process, you could measure the gas content and indirectly determine solid carbon content. This would require some experimentation, but would not only give you a means to determine LOI indirectly, but help you understand your process better as well.

If you would like to discuss this further, please e-mail me at:

jimlewisjr@atmc.net

Cordially - Jim Lewis, PE

J. Lewis, PE

Re:Loi And Finess Of Flyash

Posted on 20. Jan. 2005 - 03:35

Dear Marcus,

Malvern Instruments Limitied has on line particle sizing systems for on line monitoring and control the particle size distribution of fine powders. These systems use laser diffraction and Mie theory for measuring particle size in the range of 0.5~1000 microns.

As for LOI, some other methods should be looked for.

For more information, please email me at julie@trekintal.com.tw or Carl Sabin at carl.sabin@malvern.co.uk.

Best regards,

Julie Zhao

Any Progress?

Posted on 22. Jan. 2005 - 03:59

Dear Marcus,

Have you had any luck yet sorting out solutions?

I did come across some x-ray fluourescence instruments that could possibly be adapted to an online measurement as you desire, but there would be some specific development work to perform.

My e-mail is jimlewisjr@atmc.net

Cordially - Jim

J. Lewis, PE

Loi And Fineness Of Flyash

Posted on 24. Jan. 2005 - 08:18

Process Metrix manufactures an in-line instrument for real-time in situ measurements of the PSD and velocity. This system can operate at flue gas temperatures. Please take a look at our website www.processmetrix.com for detailed information.

Regards, Don Holve, dholve@processmetrix.com