Power Plant Mill Rejects Pipeline

richard adams
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Posted in: , on 18. Dec. 2005 - 11:59

I have been investigating the idea of transfering coal mill rejects (mainly small lumps of coal 10mm max) from 24 mills through a slurry pipeline. Has anyone else tried this? I was thinking of using a 20:1 mix of water:coal at 3 m/sec speed. Emptying approx 36 Te/day in total. Each mill will be cleared of rejects 3 times per day.

Any help appreciated.

Re: Power Plant Mill Rejects Pipeline

Erstellt am 19. Dec. 2005 - 04:05

In West Australia one mining company is planning to ship iron ore by slurry pipeline several hundred km to Geraldton Port. The idea is to keep vehicles off the road, and to control fugitive dust.

Conceptually waste coal transport is not a new idea. The coal lumps are friable so you might get more fines at the end than you expected.

I'm not sure if 3 m/s is fast enough. If you want to get down to tin tacks talk to your slurry pump Vendors, such as Warman International or Georgian Iron Works. They have design charts and software.

richard adams
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Erstellt am 19. Dec. 2005 - 11:21

Thanks John.

I was a bit reluctant to talk to a pump manufacturer as I already have a high pressure (18 bar) water source upstream of the eductors which I will be using to introduce the coal lumps into the pipeline.

I have chosen 3 m/sec as a compromise between a high enough velocity to avoid a moving bed and low enough so that any tramp iron does not cause rapid erosion at bends (roughly 10 over a 700m line).

I'm not too worried about fines, as the reject coal will be mixed with raw coal once it is back in the coal yard.

The overall scheme looks to be costing approx £2M to serve 4x500MW boilers. I guess some trials will be necessary.

Re: Power Plant Mill Rejects Pipeline

Erstellt am 20. Dec. 2005 - 08:14

I have come across a few studies related to sand slurry pipelines in the canadian oil sand industry transporting particles upto maximum size more than 50 mm through pipe diameters ranging between 0.483 m and 0.737 m.

Mathematical models available in literature can predict deposition velocity of particles (=minimum operating flow velocity-1m/s) and pressure drop (per m of slurry pipeline) with fair amount of accuracy. However, these models require pipe diameter and solids speific gravity besides slurry concentration and particle size distribution as input.

D.R. Kaushal

richard adams
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Re: Power Plant Mill Rejects Pipeline

Erstellt am 20. Dec. 2005 - 09:29

Thanks D R Kraushal,

I have been using an excellent book by Baha Abulnaga 'Slurry Systems Handbook' it gives all the necessary formulea. But there is nothing like finding someone who has done it before.

Are there any power plant engineers out there who have tackled this problem?

One issue I have been struggling with is the use of un-lined mild steel pipelines. The abrasion data for coal lumps suggests that this should be OK.

greenbank
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Slurry Pipeline

Erstellt am 20. Dec. 2005 - 09:47

Hi Richard,

My name is Mark and I work for a company called Greenbank Terotech which is based just outside Birmingham near Burton-on-trent.

We are specialists in Lined Pipework and have completed many projects involving coal slurry pipework at all major UK power stations.

I'm not certain about the speed and mixing ratio, but at 3m/s you will definetly need some sort of lining material inside your steel pipeline. We would recommend Cast Basalt, which is an excellent anti-abrasion material especially in these wet condition.

Regards,

Mark

P.S are you a student at BU?

richard adams
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Re: Power Plant Mill Rejects Pipeline

Erstellt am 20. Dec. 2005 - 05:00

Mark,

What would be a typical cost of cast basalt pipework? Say 100mm pipework 700m long 10 long bends for this application. Would it double the capital cost of the line?

Richard

E.ON UK

greenbank
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Re: Power Plant Mill Rejects Pipeline

Erstellt am 20. Dec. 2005 - 05:22

Richard,

Well, it all depends on the cost and the thickness of the steel pipework.

If you let me know either of the above, I'm happy to quote you a price for liners.

Please can you also forward me your company email address.

Regards,

Mark

richard adams
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Re: Power Plant Mill Rejects Pipeline

Erstellt am 20. Dec. 2005 - 11:37

If I go with a liner the pipe itself (unlined) will be 6mm thick and cost £46k if delivered in short lengths (up to 7m). Installation bring it up to approx. £175k.

my email is dick.adams@eon-uk.com

Thanks

Effect Of Particle Size On Pressure Drop In Slurry Pipeline

Erstellt am 26. Jan. 2006 - 01:57

One should take into account the effect of particle size on pressure drop while designing a pipeline for transporting coarser particles. Coarser particles behave very differently from finer particles in slurry pipeline. I have compared pressure drops for 125 and 440 micron particles flowing with different flow velocities and concentrations in one of my papers recently published in IJMF:

Kaushal, D.R., Sato, K., Toyota,T., Funatsu, K. and Tomita, Y.,"Effect of particle size distribution on pressure drop and concentration profile in pipeline flow of highly concentrated slurry", International Journal of Multiphase Flow, Elsevier Publications, Volume 31, Issue 7, July 2005, pp. 809-823.

Regards

D.R. Kaushal

richard adams
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Re: Power Plant Mill Rejects Pipeline

Erstellt am 26. Jan. 2006 - 02:02

Thanks, I will follow that lead. I now have a budget price for this type of pipework. I will check the pressure drops.

Dick Adams

Birmingham

UK

Re: Effect Of Particle Size On Pressure Drop In Slurry Pipeline

Erstellt am 3. Jun. 2008 - 08:16

Originally posted by D.R. Kaushal

One should take into account the effect of particle size on pressure drop while designing a pipeline for transporting coarser particles. Coarser particles behave very differently from finer particles in slurry pipeline. I have compared pressure drops for 125 and 440 micron particles flowing with different flow velocities and concentrations in one of my papers recently published in IJMF:

Kaushal, D.R., Sato, K., Toyota,T., Funatsu, K. and Tomita, Y.,"Effect of particle size distribution on pressure drop and concentration profile in pipeline flow of highly concentrated slurry", International Journal of Multiphase Flow, Elsevier Publications, Volume 31, Issue 7, July 2005, pp. 809-823.

Regards

D.R. Kaushal

Mr Kaushal

Is there a possibility to get a copy of the article?

Regards

Ziggy Gregory

ziggy.gregory@vibfem.com.au

Ziggy Gregory www.vibfem.com.au

Re: Power Plant Mill Rejects Pipeline

Erstellt am 13. Sep. 2008 - 11:18

Originally posted by richard adams

I have been investigating the idea of transfering coal mill rejects (mainly small lumps of coal 10mm max) from 24 mills through a slurry pipeline. Has anyone else tried this? I was thinking of using a 20:1 mix of water:coal at 3 m/sec speed. Emptying approx 36 Te/day in total. Each mill will be cleared of rejects 3 times per day.

Any help appreciated.

Why not condsider a capsule pipeline/pnematic for deliver of coal rejects rather than slurry?

Brink weaver in toronto can help you-Pneutrans.net

Please see the attached file for your use.

Re: Power Plant Mill Rejects Pipeline

Erstellt am 24. Sep. 2008 - 02:49

Originally posted by richard adams

Thanks D R Kraushal,

I have been using an excellent book by Baha Abulnaga 'Slurry Systems Handbook' it gives all the necessary formulea. But there is nothing like finding someone who has done it before.

Are there any power plant engineers out there who have tackled this problem?

One issue I have been struggling with is the use of un-lined mild steel pipelines. The abrasion data for coal lumps suggests that this should be OK.

I blew quite a few bob on that McGraw Hill Handbook. Just check the calculated results for the worked examples against the formulae...and then come back and tell me its an excellent book. Proof reading is a forgotten art.

Re: Re: Effect Of Particle Size On Pressure Drop In Slurry Pipe…

Erstellt am 25. Sep. 2008 - 09:45

Originally posted by ziggy



Mr Kaushal

Is there a possibility to get a copy of the article?

Regards

Ziggy Gregory

ziggy.gregory@vibfem.com.au

Hello Ziggy,

Have Promet lumbered you with the tailings disposal then? Elsewhere there has been mention of piping strength. In recent discussions with the Engineering Manager of an/the industry standard pump manufacturer based on the Lancashire/Yorkshire border I was alarmed to learn that there is no NDT procedure to verify the pump wet end integrity. So the rated casing pressure goes ex fenestre in my book.

It seems to be the practise throughout the business. Works testing is not undertaken because the test water would not be relevant to the, as yet unavailable, pulp. A pulptight alibi if ever there was one.

If you dig deep enough it confirms what we all suspect... it is impossible to cover yourself against pulp. But I, for one, know how to agitate it.

I suppose I've just blown my invite to a round of golf at St Andrews while their parent company prepares a test rig. Oh well.

Re: Power Plant Mill Rejects Pipeline

Erstellt am 26. Sep. 2008 - 02:05

No, project I am on, we do not do the tails disposal.

Ziggy Gregory www.vibfem.com.au
Vincenzo Cianci
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Dry Solution

Erstellt am 8. Jan. 2009 - 05:17
Quote Originally Posted by richard adamsView Post
I have been investigating the idea of transfering coal mill rejects (mainly small lumps of coal 10mm max) from 24 mills through a slurry pipeline. Has anyone else tried this? I was thinking of using a 20:1 mix of water:coal at 3 m/sec speed. Emptying approx 36 Te/day in total. Each mill will be cleared of rejects 3 times per day.

Any help appreciated.

Hello!

Since long time has passed from your first post, if you are still interested in any further discussion, have you already considered a dry mechanical solution for your job?

The hydraulic system leads to very high water consumption and power (for pumps) 720 t/day of water!!

My company produces and sells dry systems for coal mill rejects handling in a complete automation, high dependability, with low power consumption and low wear.

I'm the product engineer of such technology developed by Magaldi.

I warmly suggest you to consider such technology for your application for the several benefits that you could achieve campared to other traditional systems.

I'm at your disposal at any time for giving you support or any informations, and I'll be glad to do it if you ask for (vincenzo.cianci@magaldi.com)

For your aknowledgment we have our representative office in Australia (Magaldi Power Pty) and we have already installed our Dry bottom ash system on n.6 Units (Callide B, Mount Piper, Wallerawang), n.4 are under erection/start up (Millmerran, Bluewaters) and more n.7 Units (Eraring, Liddell) have already been sold

My Best Regards,

Vincenzo Cianci

Re: Power Plant Mill Rejects Pipeline

Erstellt am 8. Jan. 2009 - 05:47

I'm with Vincenzo. Wetting stuff & then having to dry it later is a troublesome business; further frought with leaps into the unknown wealth of mystery that surrounds hydraulic conveying. Keep your powder dry!

Re: Power Plant Mill Rejects Pipeline

Erstellt am 8. Jan. 2009 - 06:21

Fine particulate tailings slurries are being transpoted successfully through pipelines nowadays in the paste form with weight concentrations upto 70%. Higher solids concentration not only reduces the water requirement but also make the paste transportable at very low flow velocity thus reducing the pump power requirement. I dont think transporting tailings for longer distances pneumatically will be a wise idea.

Vincenzo Cianci
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Re: Power Plant Mill Rejects Pipeline

Erstellt am 15. Jan. 2009 - 02:47

Ok. But with very low flow speed and low pressure pumps, how does the system work in case of clogging along the sluice line?

In mill rejects there is everything that has not been grinded by the mill, not only homogeneous and sized pyrites... that is tramp iron pieces, gloves, textile fiber, stones, etc etc... in various grain size distribution. Generally high pressure water/air conveying systems have high power installed also for preventing clogging and eventually remove them...

In any case, on my point of view the challenge for bottom ash and mill rejects handling should be: "zero water usage"!!.

In Europe this slogan has been widely adopted for environmental impact reduction and higher boiler dependability demand, and many clients are bidding for dry systems both for bottom ash and mill rejects handling.

Power Plant Mill Rejects.

Erstellt am 16. Jan. 2009 - 03:34

Please look for an alternative of conveying coal rejects to mill feed stream by a combination of a small bucket elevator, conveyor with lifting magnet / magnetic drum for lifting / discarding scrap iron. I have seen such a system installed for a verticle roller mill in a cement plant.

vinayak sathe 15, Rangavi Estate, Dabolim Airport 403801, Goa, India vinayak.sathe@gmail.com
Vincenzo Cianci
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Re: Power Plant Mill Rejects Pipeline

Erstellt am 22. Jan. 2009 - 11:04

What about recirculated mill rejects? i mean: if they haven't been grinded by the coal mill the first time for higher HGI, maybe they will not be grinded anymore during further recirculations... The result could be an accumulation of mill rejects time by time in the mill+recirculation loop... Correct or not? pls, let me understand better this solution.

Thanks,

Vincenzo

Mill Rejects

Erstellt am 22. Jan. 2009 - 11:12

In a vertical roller mill, some material falls out from the table. This is very small amount and is normally fed back to feed material stockpile or feed stream. The spill may contain some trap iron, which needs to be separated before reuse.

vinayak sathe 15, Rangavi Estate, Dabolim Airport 403801, Goa, India vinayak.sathe@gmail.com

Pump Pipelines And Pump Specifying

Erstellt am 28. Jan. 2009 - 01:58

Hello Dick,

Our group have vast experience in the application you have outlined.

Both pump manufacture . Wear protected pipework and conveying equipment are our speciality.

If you could sned me your details we can make contact if you wish.

email; trevor@densit.co.uk

Re: Power Plant Mill Rejects Pipeline

Erstellt am 9. Feb. 2009 - 01:06

Very informative topic this.

As I posted in this topic

https://forum.bulk-online.com/showth...0867#post50867

I am investigating which types of valves are used in several industries and processes, as my company developed a fail-safe spring return actuator for lift plug valves. I can't find concrete information of which valves are commonly used in slurry systems, so maybe one of the experts here can help me. So my question is: are manual lift plug valves used in slurry pipelines, or might a lift plug valve become interesting for these systems if automated?

Best regards,

Roy