Welding on wirecloth

Posted in: , on 12. Aug. 2004 - 05:36

A followup to this original posting:

In talking to some of my customers.........who I trust emphatically due to their extensive knowledge in the field, I was informed of this following:

One of my aggregate producing customers states he actually takes woven wirecloth and welds the intersections on purpose prior to install and this makes them last longer............

WHEW!!!!! This is against my upbringing........can anyone tell me if they ever do this and if so why?

Keep Smiling........George Baker

REMEMBER, As a wise man once said:

"You've only failed, if you failed to try"

Best Regards, George Baker Regional Sales Manager - Canada TELSMITH Inc Mequon, WI 1-519-242-6664 Cell E: (work) [email]gbaker@telsmith.com[/email] E: (home) [email] gggman353@gmail.com[/email] website: [url]www.telsmith.com[/url] Manufacturer of portable, modular and stationary mineral processing equipment for the aggregate and mining industries.

Welded Wire Screens

Erstellt am 13. Aug. 2004 - 04:15

We have used welded wire screens in coke service on a blast furnace now for some time, just because it keeps the screens working longer. They are manufactured by Buffalo wire I believe. We buy from Vibecon.

I have monitored a set of screens in a blast furnace stockhouse to 45000 tons of coke, and they were worn down to razor edge thickness. Not good if you are sizing product, but great if you are taking little pieces out of big ones.

We have welded patches on in rare instances, but prefer to change decks.

hcrosmun

Re: Welded Wire Reply

Erstellt am 13. Aug. 2004 - 11:24

THANKS FOR the reply.........much appreciated.

George

Best Regards, George Baker Regional Sales Manager - Canada TELSMITH Inc Mequon, WI 1-519-242-6664 Cell E: (work) [email]gbaker@telsmith.com[/email] E: (home) [email] gggman353@gmail.com[/email] website: [url]www.telsmith.com[/url] Manufacturer of portable, modular and stationary mineral processing equipment for the aggregate and mining industries.

Re: Welding On Wirecloth

Erstellt am 3. Oct. 2004 - 06:26

Great topic George,, In the past we have welded intersections on screens in our primary scalper. there were times when we even tried 3/8 x 3/4 flat bar on 1/2" wire to create rails for the larger pieces to ride . All were ways to prolong screen life . Now we run punch plates with a larger screen. i believe it helped with screen life , whether it was enough to offset labor costs or not is hard to say.

:D :D :D :D :D keep smiling!!!

Skid Rails On Punch Plate?

Erstellt am 3. Oct. 2004 - 05:17

KASEY: Thanks for participating, now..........your thread brings up another topic of great interest in prolonging life of wirecloth, punch plate, rubber and urethane actually.

SKID RAILS: This is very old technology used for decades.

PUNCH PLATE: Typically used for PRIMARY or heavy abusive BANG CRASH applications ........say, scalping primary feed material being ROM run of mine scalping overs usually into a crusher.

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MOST people put on the perforated punch plate, say 1/2" thick staggered or straight lines and GIVE ER........Here is what happens, we are putting on this heavy duty media to take the abuse but, we are not thinking it right through carefully

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We find in reality, the plate gets GOUGED, RIPPED and PLUGGED with elongated carrot shaped ROCK. The plate becomes completely PLUGGED and plate becomes battered into submission, and the CROSS MEMBERS underneath that plate typically are damaged severly. Due to the long small ends of the carrots being allowed to stick, gouge into and be rubbed and bashed from rocks IMPACTING onto the rocks plugging the HOLE OPENING.

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SOLUTION: Change hole pattern to STRAIGHT LINE then install 2" high x 1" or 2" x 2" thick STEEL RISERS to the margins between the holes down the length of the PUNCH PLATE.

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What are we accomplishing? Let's say we are scalping at 6" opening for sake of argument. We now take the BIG BIG feed material above 6" size and SKID it down the rails into MR. CRUSHER .....This gets it on and off quicker, it keeps it off the punch plate opening (no abuse or damage), reduces plugging substantially, increases bearing life due to not carrying extra STATIC weight PLUGGED in the vibrating body, INCREASES PERF PLATE LIFE, severly reduces damage to the support deck below it, which reduces mtce downtime and mtce dollars....all pretty good things.

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WIRECLOTH: use a FLAT TOP WEAVE, which puts the KNUCKLES at the intersections of the weave on the underside, elimanating busted wires.

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RUBBER: use rubber skid rail risers same deal as punch plate order at time of new order, let factory supply

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URETHANE: use urethane skid rail risers, same as rubber

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SKID RAILS are used because we need to protect the media from ABUSE, SHORTENED LIFE, due to big materials jamming in them.

Kasey, thanks for getting me off onto another tangent....

Keep ROCKin' George Baker - Mr. Vibration.......

Best Regards, George Baker Regional Sales Manager - Canada TELSMITH Inc Mequon, WI 1-519-242-6664 Cell E: (work) [email]gbaker@telsmith.com[/email] E: (home) [email] gggman353@gmail.com[/email] website: [url]www.telsmith.com[/url] Manufacturer of portable, modular and stationary mineral processing equipment for the aggregate and mining industries.

Stroke......

Erstellt am 3. Oct. 2004 - 05:28

We want to make sure if we add the extra weight of the skid rails to double check the circle size or stroke....we need to maintain the full eccentricity that was there before the addition of extra weight to the vibrating device.

NORMALLY, there is no need for any adjustment but, If we lose a titch of energy or stroke.....we should add a small plate weight to each wheel to get back to the original circle size.....the speed or rpm will remain the SAME.

Keep Stroking.........George

Best Regards, George Baker Regional Sales Manager - Canada TELSMITH Inc Mequon, WI 1-519-242-6664 Cell E: (work) [email]gbaker@telsmith.com[/email] E: (home) [email] gggman353@gmail.com[/email] website: [url]www.telsmith.com[/url] Manufacturer of portable, modular and stationary mineral processing equipment for the aggregate and mining industries.

Re: Welding On Wirecloth

Erstellt am 13. Oct. 2004 - 04:38

George, we tried flat top wire ,it didn't last as long as a standard weave . then our screen supplier comes up with what he called a scalp weave, lol!!! wow it was heavy and looked good ,also more expensive . i should have done a little more research , it lasted about the same as everything else we have used,,,

I am sure if i closed the jaw down i could maintain production rates and everything would live longer too. BUT we make 3"to 8" quarry spalls which is a big seller so i am limited in size....

what are your thoughts on urethane running under 8" minus ? several companys have approached us none so far will demo anything . they all say its cheaper in the long run , hmmmm i just don't know,,,

oh , by the way GEORGE , We call your carrots coke bottles!!

:D :D :D :D :D keep smiling!!!

Urethane Under 8" Feed

Erstellt am 15. Oct. 2004 - 11:26

I prefer RUBBER for impact areas........urethane generally fits in SLIDE WEAR areas or wet applications.

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DEMOS: I always told my customers, if the supplier is unwilling to guarantee the product works........or eat the demo section...do not buy it from him. GET STUFF IN WRITING.

When i sold urethane to replace wirecloth........yep.......this is tough selling......from the known to the UNKNOWN. I sold vibrating equipment also.......so my accounts would normally trust my suggestion that adding say...urethane vs wirecloth would not harm the vibrating screen. I would also clear with our engineers in house first.

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URETHANE or RUBBER demo trail test: I would basically suggest this...take off feed section of wirecloth...replace with one only feed section of URETHANE OR RUBBER....side tensioned like wirecloth. If it does not last as promised by your sales guy......take it out........get money back. COST IS ONE SECTION, credited under warranty guarantee, no modification to screen body....cutting, torching etc and put your wirecloth right back in the same spot.

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If the urethane or rubber works.......to your satisfaction....then look at more sections side tensioned down the rest of the deck OR if very comfy with what you saw........then, GO TO A DECK MODIFICATION to say accept 1'x2' square panels with a special snap receiving grid for example.

GO SLOW....WALK before you run....Make sure the supplier works with you VS sticks you with the cost of the test.

Keep Smiling.... George...... (Coke bottles - i like that !)

Best Regards, George Baker Regional Sales Manager - Canada TELSMITH Inc Mequon, WI 1-519-242-6664 Cell E: (work) [email]gbaker@telsmith.com[/email] E: (home) [email] gggman353@gmail.com[/email] website: [url]www.telsmith.com[/url] Manufacturer of portable, modular and stationary mineral processing equipment for the aggregate and mining industries.