Coefficients of Friction

Marco Moutinho - Onyx Projects , Australia
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Posted in: , on 10. Sep. 2009 - 13:35

Running coefficient of friction versus Accelerating coefficient of friction

Hello,

I was wondering if there is anyone who could help me understand why the coefficient of friction for lagged pulleys vaires between accelerating and running conditions?

I have talked this over with many senior consultants in my industry and none have been able to give me a reasonable answer.

Many client specifications and even the software I have been using recommends using higher values for starting.

Many thanks in advance and apologies if this topic has been discussed elsewhere on the forum but I have not been able to find any information on the topic.

Thanks,

Marco

The More We Find Out....

Posted on 13. Sep. 2009 - 08:00

the more we know....

Please explain the quest by anonymously posting the answers you think are unreasonable. That would be professionally correct. Also bear in mind that the answers could have been compromised by the original questions so we need to see those as well.

Software apart: have you asked the clients why they specify using higher values for starting?

What do the lagging people say on the subject?

Re: Coefficients Of Friction

Posted on 13. Sep. 2009 - 08:56
Quote Originally Posted by louispanjangView Post
answers could have been compromised by the original questions

Questions are a burden to others, answers are a prison for oneself.

Re: Coefficients Of Friction

Posted on 15. Sep. 2009 - 05:59
Quote Originally Posted by Marco MView Post
Running coefficient of friction versus Accelerating coefficient of friction

Hello,

.......why the coefficient of friction for lagged pulleys vaires between accelerating and running conditions?

..........................

Thanks,

Marco



Will it be related to Newton's law?

Rgds,

Running Vs. Acceleration Coefficient Of Friction

Posted on 15. Sep. 2009 - 08:17

Many years ago some very bright people, at then Hewitt-Robins, did testing on pulley lagging on a laboratory drum. They found that for a short period of the operating life the transmission of the drive could sustain more slip without apparent degradation. Since slip occurs anyway, they deduced for the short starting vs. running cycle, the drive could be engineered with a higher slip criteria.

The coefficient was arbitrarily raised by 0.05 units. This became the internal standard back in the 1950's. When H-R gave CEMA the body of the original CEMA manual, back in the 1960's, no one questioned the criteria. It has stuck in acceptance mode ever since.

Others have questioned the data and have also came to accept it. Ask an old H-R employee, maybe Frank Loeffler was with them then. Most have gone into retirement.

Lawrence Nordell Conveyor Dynamics, Inc. website, email & phone contacts: www.conveyor-dynamics.com nordell@conveyor-dynamics.com phone: USA 360-671-2200 fax: USA 360-671-8450