Pulley shaft deflection

etse51815
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Posted in: , on 25. Jun. 2008 - 10:25

Hi,

I want to size a pulley shaft for deflection. The conveyor is designed for 6 starts per hour. Can anyone tell me if start-up tensions should be used to determine the minimum shaft diameter at the hub that will satisfy the deflection limit set by the locking device?

Start-up tensions result in a shaft diameter 20mm bigger than the required diameter to satisfy the deflection limit under normal run conditions.

Check Calculation

Posted on 25. Jun. 2008 - 12:07

Hi etse51815,

Check your shaft calculation on our free beam deflection spreadsheet on www.cospire.com / Engineering Tips / Quick Structures.

It all depends on your drive arrangement. On the pulley side the main consideration is bending stress limits. Deflection as such is not a major controlling component.

However, high shaft deflection can cause local stresses in your gearbox - hence high wear of bearings.

Use a stepped shaft to give you extra stiffness - resulting in reduced deflections. Or add an extra internal diaphragm in the drum, so the drum face provides the required stiffness.

Regards - John.Rz

etse51815
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Re: Pulley Shaft Deflection

Posted on 25. Jun. 2008 - 02:23

Thanks for the advice Mr. John.Rz

I agree that for a drive pulley, the shaft size is normally governed by the stress limit. In my application I’ve got a 1650mm wide belt with relatively high tensions, so most of the bend pulley shaft sizes are governed by deflection.

To be more specific with my question, I’ve got a High Tension bend pulley before the drive. Its shaft size is also governed by deflection. Will it be overkill to select a shaft diameter for this HT Pulley based on the start-up tensions, which it will be exposed to for short periods?

Re: Pulley Shaft Deflection

Posted on 25. Jun. 2008 - 03:14

Momentary belt tensions can be factored in a similar way to structural steel methods. We have written specification on the pulley stress analysis method that includes a load reduction for momentary forces of 25%. Thus, when the high momentary T1, T2, ect. values are divide by 1.25 and then are still larger than the high normal loaded operation, the resulting T1/1.25 will be used.

Care must be taken to include the combined T1 & T2 resulting force as they occur in operation and not from their separate maximums.

Lawrence Nordell Conveyor Dynamics, Inc. website, email & phone contacts: www.conveyor-dynamics.com nordell@conveyor-dynamics.com phone: USA 360-671-2200 fax: USA 360-671-8450

What Start Up Tensions?

Posted on 26. Jun. 2008 - 03:08

Good point lads.

What do you mean by start up tensions? Is that real, or hypothetical?

1 - A drive motor has a certain maximum torque. This varies with the details of the motor windings, and the starter kit.

2 - Are we looking at a cold start empty, or from an emergency shut where the whole belt is full and overflowing?

3 - Do a What If Analysis http://www.cospire.com/browse.aspx?id=4317 . Is your mathematical catastrophe certain, probably, or only theoretically possible [belt, braces, and tin hat. What if a failure did occur? Would the sun stand still? Would you be sued?]

4 - Don't get tied up in knots by the politics of "Safety Factors". We are trying to assess realistic probablities of failure, and their monetary and safety consequencial damages.

5 - What can we control, or change? Starting time ramp on the PLC?

It is OK to use your engineering judgement at times - that's what you are paid for [just watch out for the legal bullies - they can be real snakes-in-the-grass].

Regards - John.Rz

etse51815
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Re: Pulley Shaft Deflection

Posted on 26. Jun. 2008 - 08:15

Starting and stopping under full load is a reality. It might not happen regularly, but it happens. So I’m considering momentary tensions under these conditions.

Yes, you can control or change start-up to reduce these high momentary tensions, but what about braking? Let’s say you’ve got an emergency stop and you need to brake a long, fully loaded conveyor in a short period (to not flood the short receiving belt which stopped as well) with a brake on a low-tension pulley. If this pulley shaft were sized for normal run tensions, I would think that there is a realistic probability of failure during braking.

Thanks for the advice from both of you!

Regards

Lyle Brown
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Re: Pulley Shaft Deflection

Posted on 26. Jun. 2008 - 09:58

Not saying that it isnt possible, though I havent seen a relaxation on deflection criteria for conditions other than running (even "abnormal" - motor break down torque etc).

We would consider a fully loaded start an operational condition.

Put a flywheel on the receiving conveyor?...

Regards,

Lyle