Long belt conveyor design method

Posted in: , on 20. Jun. 2005 - 20:37

Hi everybody!

If I’m not wrong, the belt tensions and power calculation method shown on the fifth edition of the CEMA book is valid only for conveyors with length up to 3000 ft.

I would like you to confirm if I’m right. Is it possible to design longer conveyors (for instance, a 6 km long belt conveyor) applying the same method? If does, which additional considerations should then be taken into account? If doesn’t, which other method can be used and how could I know it?

I thank you in advance for the assistance you can give me about this topic.

Sincerely,

Wibo

Róger Padilla Mechanical Engineer H.L. Ingenieros S.A. Bogotá, Colombia Tel: ++57-1-5420455

Re: Long Belt Conveyor Design Method

Posted on 20. Jun. 2005 - 10:55

Dear Wibo,

Conveyors can be designed of any length using CEMA 5th edition. There are many caveates you need to apply to keep the design within reasonable accuracy:

1. coal - not greater than 54 inch wide (1371 mm)

2. speed - not greater than 6 m/s

3. carry idler spacing - not greater than 2m

4. fabric strength to ST-1500 and steel strength to ST-3500 N/mm

Today, CEMA 5th edition is seen to be quite outdated, in terms of economic selection for: power, belt tension, idler selection, structural and civil costs. The penalty could be as great as 25% of the overall capital and >30% for operating costs on a 6 km overland. OK for estimates but not advisable for the fit for purpose installation.

Would you like some assistance?

Lawrence Nordell Conveyor Dynamics, Inc. website, email & phone contacts: www.conveyor-dynamics.com nordell@conveyor-dynamics.com phone: USA 360-671-2200 fax: USA 360-671-8450

Long Belt Conveyor Design

Posted on 24. Jun. 2005 - 08:10

Dear Mr. Wibo,

For designing long conveyor with CEMA method is laborious. I suggest you should follow ISO 5048 or DIN 22101. It will take less time & will give you good result. Wibo , I think you are a student or doing some paper on it? Give me more information about your conveyor , I will help you .

Regards.

Atanu

Long Belt Conveyor

Posted on 24. Jun. 2005 - 07:25

Dear Mr. Nordell and Mr. Banerjee:

Thank you very much for your answers.

Concerning your comments, I have to say that I’m a young Mechanical Engineer, who has been learning about belt conveyors. But until now I haven’t yet work with long belt conveyors. The literature I have are the CEMA fifth edition and the book of Mr. Ishwar Mulani.

I didn’t know that the fifth edition is beginning to be considered outdated, and that it involves high capital and operational costs. I would like to know the ISO 5048 and the DIN 22101.

I don’t have information for a specific long conveyor, but I would like to know if special care should be taken if it has horizontal and/or vertical curves. Can one in the same way apply for this case the method of CEMA?



I have another question: why shouldn’t the conveyor be greater than 54 inch wide for coal?

Thanks a lot!

Regards,

Wibo

Róger Padilla Mechanical Engineer H.L. Ingenieros S.A. Bogotá, Colombia Tel: ++57-1-5420455

Long Conveyor Design

Posted on 1. Jul. 2005 - 01:35

Dear wibo

CEMA 5th addition is not out dated maximum nos of conveyors are still designed by CEMA tnan any other method

There are continous improvements in belt conveyor technology and improvements will be indicated in CEMA 6th addition.

CEMA is book to understand conveying technology by bigners without understanding basic knowledge you can not design complicated conveyors.

long conveyors can also be designed by CEMA . However when you design long conveyors to the user following aspects are important

1 power consumption

2 smooth operation

3 lower per meter instalation cost

4 cost of material transportation / ton/km

long conveyor when designed considering above considerations requires starting and stopping engineering to have jerk free start stop with optimum belt tension , syncronising the speed of varios drives, selection of take up location , selection of no of drives and drive locations

To be comptetive due consideration is given how to reduce belt width which can be obtained by increasing speed, by reducing no of idlers by increasing idler spacing .

In long conveyor Design lot of expertise is required even you can save up to 30 percent installation cost and even up to 20 percent power rating by intellegent design

To reach at level to design 6 km long conveyor your initial guide will be books like CEMA, I G MULANI,ISO 5048 etc.

As only only few companies designs long conveyors it is there buisness and properity technology and may not like to share in forum .

All common practices of conveyor design are indicated in CEMA

A R SINGH

A R SINGH DIRECTOR MODTECH MATERIAL HANDLING PROJECTS PVT LTD PLOT NO.325,SECTOR-24 FARIDABAD,HARYANA, INDIA

Re: Long Belt Conveyor Design Method

Posted on 1. Jul. 2005 - 05:35

DEar Wibo:

CEMA method & limitations:

Please reread the prior posting:

There is no 54 inch belt width limit orlimits on other values noted. I claimed that if you design for greater values than noted the CEMA method may increase the capital and operating costs over more modern methods. I have published a number of these more modern methods as they apply to overland, curved and high powered belt conveyors. See our website as given below.

The CEMA 5th edition will still be used. THe 6th edition has some improvements. It also has a number of errors that are in the process of being corrected. We have notified CEMA that we believe the new power equation, in Chapter 6, needs to be modified. Its present form may produce significant design errors.

Lawrence Nordell Conveyor Dynamics, Inc. website, email & phone contacts: www.conveyor-dynamics.com nordell@conveyor-dynamics.com phone: USA 360-671-2200 fax: USA 360-671-8450