Horizontal Screen Factor VSMA-CEDARAPIDS

Posted in: , on 17. Mar. 2007 - 05:05

Hello, I have a question.

In VSMA the factor for horizontal and inclined screens are the same(horizontal linear motion screens vs circular motion inclined screens), but in the CEDARAPIDS method for sizing screens, there is a factor that changes with inclination. Now I can not remember but with 20º inclination I think that the factor was 1.0, and with lesser angle the factor was less than 1.0, BUT for the linear motion horizontal screens the factor is 1.2 (20% bigger).

The question is: what is the reason for this difference?, It has to do with linear motion?, one inclined screen 12º with linear motion has to use this same factor?

Thanks in advance and best regards,

Vsma Factors & Others

Posted on 18. Mar. 2007 - 10:24

in VSMA:

circle throw screeners at 20 deg decline = 1 factor or normal

horizontal screeners at ZERO deg or flat = 1 factor or normal

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circle throw can be installed from 10 deg to 45 deg depending on the application

Horizontal linear stroke machines can be installed from 0 degrees up to 10 degrees by the rules of VSMA.....

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ONE of the reasons the linear machines in C-R is 1.2 is basically with horizontals we do not have the help of mother nature or gravity (ie 20 deg) so the 1.2 allows for the machines to be sized a little larger.....to compensate for all the action being MECHANICALLY DRIVEN by bigger motors at zero degrees.

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VSMA of course is a conglomeration of 7 VIBRATING SCREEN MANUFACTURERS ASSOCIATION (VSMA) member companies. So each company's sizing formula individually is a little more conservative or a little less conservative than each other's and the VSMA charts are a general assumptive rule of thumb...or average of all 7 to come with a BASIC SIZING FORMULA for all to utilize...........

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One is not right and the other wrong........one is just a titch more conservative than the other.....is I am making screens and my formula is a tad liberal......my screen sizes out to a smaller unit and I theoretically could sell a new machines at a MUCH CHEAPER PRICE......vs someone using a more conservative thought pattern to size.

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Lastly, assuming a 12 deg inclined unit had the same 3/8" stroke at say 850rpm range for doing say.....7/8" clear opg for sake of discussion, the formula would actually call up a WIDER screen at 12 degrees than 20 degrees TO adjust for BED DEPTH increases at 12 degrees. But, if the 12 deg unit had a much bigger stroke for sake of discussion.....and some other PLUS factors like say ball trays or special feeders to the unit or heaters or many other helpers.......than the screen with a bigger stroke etc could do the job and stay the same width (which equals more or less TPH).

Hope this did not confuse more than help.

Best Regards, George Baker Regional Sales Manager - Canada TELSMITH Inc Mequon, WI 1-519-242-6664 Cell E: (work) [email]gbaker@telsmith.com[/email] E: (home) [email] gggman353@gmail.com[/email] website: [url]www.telsmith.com[/url] Manufacturer of portable, modular and stationary mineral processing equipment for the aggregate and mining industries.

Re: Horizontal Screen Factor Vsma-Cedarapids

Posted on 19. Mar. 2007 - 02:30

Thanks George for your explanation, but the CR guys gives a factor of 1.2 for calculating the actual capacity, so for the horizontal screens they use a 20% more capacity than inclined, so horizontal screens are smaller for the same capacity. That is what is confunsing to me, because I did the same reasoning than you about the inclination and the capacity.

I thought that perhaps with linear motion screen the conveying velocity is bigger than with inclined. Well in deed they say so, giving

20deg 100FPM factor 1.0

15deg 70FPM factor 1.04

10deg 40FPM factor 1.07

5deg 10FPM factor 1.15

HORIZONTAL 60FPM factor 1.20

Well this is a feeding method so the capacity given is material feed to the screen not a passing method giving the material that passes through the mesh. Perhaps this is the reason why the actual capacity increases when lowering the inclination. But I do not see why the horizontal is the bigest but its velocity is not the bigger nor the smaller.

Well, I think that is a very difficult task to try to understand how they thought their method.

Any idea?

Conveying Velocity???

Posted on 20. Mar. 2007 - 06:16

Diego: sizing formula for VSMA or any vib scrn mfr are not absolutes EVER....ALL companies have slightly different factors they use for their own purposes. VSMA is in fact a compiled average of 7 companies field results and testing data.

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the VSMA formula states the following, and I quote:

"To select the size of screen, first determine, from the bed depth calculations, the width that will maintain the proper bed depth for efficient screening and choose the length that, together with the width, provides a miumum total screening area equilvalent to that arrived at in the screen area calculations."

Proper bed depth for 20 deg inclines should not exceed four times the size of the screencloth opening when separating material weighing 100lbs per cu ft. or three times for material weighing 50 lbs per cu ft.

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BED DEPTH FORMULA equation: by VSMA

BDB = O X C divided by 5 x T X W

BDB = DISCHARGE END BED DEPTH whereby:

O = OVERSIZE IN STPH

C = Cubic feet per ton of material

5 = Constant

T = Rate of Travel (Nominal 75 fpm for inclined screen at slope of 18-20 degrees with flow rotation and nominal 45 fpm for horizontal screen. (Plug in FPM rates for both types)

W = Width of Screening Area in Feet

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note the foot travel rates in the standard VSMA capacity formula above. My experience for FPM travel rates has always been 75 FPM for 20 deg incline and 45 FPM for zero degree horizontal.

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Take a stone paint it white or orange or something...throw it on your screener at feed end and time it til it discharges off the end and you will get your actual FPM or FOOT PER MINUTE TRAVEL.

IE: if you time 15 seconds, multiply that by 4 = 60 FPM.

The debate is a long one in the industry, on which outproduces which INCLINED or HORIZONTAL. Ask 10 people and you will 5 of each liking one or the other and they all are right...Their perception is their reality.

In my opinion, a 20 deg INCLINED screen will outproduce a flat screen in TONS PER HOUR all day, now a flat screen will produce more efficient CUT due to lower FPM of 45 but, the material will see the full opening better on a flat or linear or horizontal screener because it sees the WHOLE OPENING whereas the inclined material feed sees a FORESHORTENED opening....at 20 degrees. At 75 FPM it moves more TONS across the 20 degree sloped deck than a horizontal at 45 FPM.

Most companies do not have a adjustment factor for their TableII incline factor S. I would say it reflects either a differential deck design or a flat screen with the box installed with some incline on it.

Best Regards, George Baker Regional Sales Manager - Canada TELSMITH Inc Mequon, WI 1-519-242-6664 Cell E: (work) [email]gbaker@telsmith.com[/email] E: (home) [email] gggman353@gmail.com[/email] website: [url]www.telsmith.com[/url] Manufacturer of portable, modular and stationary mineral processing equipment for the aggregate and mining industries.

Re: Horizontal Screen Factor Vsma-Cedarapids

Posted on 20. Mar. 2007 - 08:18

Thanks a lot George for your comments and explanation.

More Discussion Is Gladly Welcomed

Posted on 21. Mar. 2007 - 01:59

Diego.......thankyou for the challenging question. Please continue to participate ...we do very much appreciate it.

Best Regards,

Best Regards, George Baker Regional Sales Manager - Canada TELSMITH Inc Mequon, WI 1-519-242-6664 Cell E: (work) [email]gbaker@telsmith.com[/email] E: (home) [email] gggman353@gmail.com[/email] website: [url]www.telsmith.com[/url] Manufacturer of portable, modular and stationary mineral processing equipment for the aggregate and mining industries.