Lyle Brown
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Re: Force Resolve

Posted on 16. Aug. 2007 - 11:25

I couldnt locate the file.

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Lyle

Lyle Brown
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Re: Force Resolve

Posted on 18. Aug. 2007 - 02:30

Suspect you need to nominate radii of "roller" and associated CL displacement.

It is then a case of force resolving using trigonometry.

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Lyle

Re: Force Resolve

Posted on 18. Aug. 2007 - 03:27

It's just a simple trigonometry problem.

However, the lack of basic data like roller diameters and relative positions of the roller axes prevents me commenting further.

Re: Force Resolve

Posted on 19. Aug. 2007 - 06:13

Dear Mr. Analysis,

You have shown roller-1, roller-2 and roller-3. It seems that roller-3 and roller-1 are in contact and similarly roller-3 and roller-2 are also in contact. Roller-3 is tending to shift downwards by 25000 N, which is counteracted by roller-1 and roller-2. The roller-3 looks to be drive roller.

These rollers must be part of some useful machine (mechanism) wherein they would be doing some useful work and power consumption. If so, the drive roller-3 will also be applying certain tangential force (torque) to roller-1 and roller-3. The force distribution amongst the rollers will be by combined effect of your stated 25000 N, torque transmission for each roller, roller position geometry, etc.

You may solve the problem by using engineering rules for force and torque transmission. In this regard, some hints are as below.

The practically useful solution is likely to involve engineering work and thereby engineering service. The matter does not appear to be so simple, as it may involve resistances in varied situations, steady state, acceleration state, drive torque, friction grip (?) and its variation etc.

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Ishwar G Mulani.

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Re: Force Resolve

Posted on 19. Aug. 2007 - 07:18

To me it looks as if -

Roller1 dia. = Roller2 dia.

Roller3 dia < Roller1 dia

Rollers 1, 2 and 3 are all in contact.

But I don't know due to the limitations of the sketch!

Perhaps the "Mechanical Engineering Design engineer" could update his sketch with enhanced information to assist those in this thread who may be able answer his question.

Force Resolve New

Posted on 20. Aug. 2007 - 10:30

Thanks to all for the prompt reply

Description:

Roller 1 &2 diameter is 700mm

Roller 3 diameter is 200mm

Roller 1 drive by chain drive, from there another chain drives to roller2

By friction cum external pressure to the roller 3 it rotates.

In side ways of the roller 3 pnuematic cylinder is attached (both ends)& pressure is being applied.

Also pl.refer new attachment

Thanks,

by prakash

Attachments

roller.gif (ZIP)

Force Resolving

Posted on 24. Aug. 2007 - 10:17

Hai!

you must be correct I think so,the resultant force is 20770N myself not completed fully.capture you soon

Thanks

Analysis

Force Result

Posted on 25. Aug. 2007 - 01:08

dear all

Thanks all your comments.

Here is my result

25000N/2=12500N (force distributed to two rollers hence divide by 2)

12500N/cos51.57 =20110N (resultant)

20110*cos8deg=19920 N Fh

20110*sin8deg=2799 N Fv

comments are welcome

Thanks

Lyle Brown
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Re: Force Resolve

Posted on 26. Aug. 2007 - 03:31

Originally posted by designer

20,770 N ???

The working I completed resulted in similar to this (total, unresolved into horizontal and vertical components etc).

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Lyle

Re: Force Resolve

Posted on 26. Aug. 2007 - 12:13

I used it as a test to give a couple of our young apprentices.

Lyle Brown
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Re: Force Resolve

Posted on 26. Aug. 2007 - 04:09

Good use of: Newtons laws, trigonometry and mathematics (I used substitution to solve two equations, simultaneously).

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Lyle