Tilted Idlers/Tapered Rollers: Frictional Effects

Roland Heilmann
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Posted in: , on 11. Jul. 2013 - 09:30

tilted idlers / tapered rollers --> power and wear

Dear collegues,

As there's perhaps still no deeper practical experiences available for the application of tapered rollers on a large scale, i'd however like to adress the belt wear and power loss issue. Perhaps the in-depth specialists on belts and related power consumption calculations could be invited to a statement?

For idlers equipped with tapered rollers, as well as for tilted idlers equipped with cylindrical rollers there must occur transversal slip of the belt on the surface of the roller, is that correct? If yes, there should be a quantifiable power loss due to frictional effects between roller and belt. And, related to amount of taper (or tilt), an issue of wear on the belts lower cover surface.

Are there any informations or opinions to share, or perhaps hints to be given as to the choice of the belt bottom cover quality?

Thank you in advance, &

with best Regards

R.

Negligible Losses

Erstellt am 11. Jul. 2013 - 11:02

Hello there Roland..

For horizontally curved conveyors, we have to calculate the training forces that you get from forward tilting of the idlers.

Research has shown that these forces increase with forward tilt, but after so many degrees, the training force does not get any bigger.

For this reason, I don't forward tilt by any more than 2 degrees.

At this value, I know what training forces are, and I can then also easily calculate the increased drag.

What I have found is that there is negligible power increase, compared to say temperature, and accuracy of loading etc.

I have also seen that there is no noticable additional wear to the bottom cover of my curved belts.

For tapered rolls I would apply the same principles, and therefore limit the taper to give training effect, but with negligible increase in drag.

Hope this helps

Cheers

LSL Tekpro

Graham Spriggs

Tilted Idlers/Tapered Rollers: Frictional Effects

Erstellt am 11. Jul. 2013 - 02:55

Graham,

I agree with your logic.

This may be a long shot but I am currently working on an overhead tripper system that discharges onto a reversible conveyor. From all of the thread participants, can anyone provide me with the name of the supplier and contact information for these idlers with tapered wing rolls?

Joe Dos Santos

Dos Santos International 531 Roselane St NW Suite 810 Marietta, GA 30060 USA Tel: 1 770 423 9895 Fax 1 866 473 2252 Email: jds@ dossantosintl.com Web Site: [url]www.dossantosintl.com[/url]

Re: Tilted Idlers/Tapered Rollers: Frictional Effects

Erstellt am 11. Jul. 2013 - 09:02

Joe

The only one that I know of is Dyna Engineering in Australia. Their contact info is on their site.

http://www.dynaeng.com.au/idlerroller.html

I am sure there are others but as you are aware this is not a common practice in North America.

Good luck.

Gary

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Tilted Idlers/Tapered Rollers: Frictional Effects

Erstellt am 11. Jul. 2013 - 09:42

Gary,

Thank you. I just sent them an Email.

Joe Dos Santos

Dos Santos International 531 Roselane St NW Suite 810 Marietta, GA 30060 USA Tel: 1 770 423 9895 Fax 1 866 473 2252 Email: jds@ dossantosintl.com Web Site: [url]www.dossantosintl.com[/url]
Roland Heilmann
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Tapered Roller

Erstellt am 12. Jul. 2013 - 07:47

Dear Joe,

i made a stante pede survey from simple bing search "tapered idler roller" but am not sure the findings would be applicable on a large scale in a conveyor. I think those rollers are rather used in training stations, as seen in the fotos of that other thread. As far as i could investigate, such rollers come usually in small quantities. The manufacturer of a series would have to need some quite good ideas to produce such rollers other than by turning the taper from a heavy piece of tube. But, there's no end to ideas, at that.

Thank you, and with kind Regards

R.

Re: Tilted Idlers/Tapered Rollers: Frictional Effects

Erstellt am 15. Jul. 2013 - 06:49
Quote Originally Posted by Roland HeilmannView Post
Dear Joe,

i made a stante pede survey from simple bing search "tapered idler roller" but am not sure the findings would be applicable on a large scale in a conveyor. I think those rollers are rather used in training stations, as seen in the fotos of that other thread. As far as i could investigate, such rollers come usually in small quantities. The manufacturer of a series would have to need some quite good ideas to produce such rollers other than by turning the taper from a heavy piece of tube. But, there's no end to ideas, at that.

Thank you, and with kind Regards

R.

Dear Mr. Ronald Heilmann,

You would have continued in the same previous thread, as below.

https://forum.bulk-online.com/showth...-trough-idlers

Regards,

Tilted Idlers/Tapered Rollers: Frictional Effects

Erstellt am 15. Jul. 2013 - 07:06

Rolland,

Thank you. I did contact the cited manufacturer. They are pleased to supply the tapered rolls and even complete idlers that utilize the tapered rolls at the wings. They have no catalogues for the complete idlers so I conclude that it must not be all that popular. I may try to get a quote to see if it makes economic sense. Based on Graham's comment, with which I agree, I would make the taper 2 deg, equivalent to a 2 deg forward tilt at a single direction conveyor.

Joe Dos Santos

Dos Santos International 531 Roselane St NW Suite 810 Marietta, GA 30060 USA Tel: 1 770 423 9895 Fax 1 866 473 2252 Email: jds@ dossantosintl.com Web Site: [url]www.dossantosintl.com[/url]