Condition of Belt Handling Hot Lime

Posted in: , on 13. Sep. 2010 - 14:37

Dear Sirs,

I have selected belt cover ( Heat ristance- 200 deg . C) for handling lime at a temperature of 160 deg C. Now Lime manufacturer is indicating that the temperature of initial lime would be about 400 deg. C . And afterwards it would be 150 deg. C. . Now I cannot change the belt as it is already installed at site. We have decided to run the belt for handling lime at 400 deg. C .

PLease let me know what will be the condition of belt if we run for two hours. Give below the belt specification.

Make... CONTI, GERMANY

Width,mm...650

Top/ bottom thk,,mm..... 4/2

Fabric... NN

Cover grade... HR-200

Regards.

A.Banerjee

Re: Condition Of Belt Handling Hot Lime

Erstellt am 15. Sep. 2010 - 08:21

Dear Mr.A.Banerjee,



The top cover will be damaged faster. At the joint area, ply cracks may happen and joint also will fail after some time.

Please post your results.

Rgds,

Roland Heilmann
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Answers

Erstellt am 16. Sep. 2010 - 07:22

Dear Mr. Banerjee,

if it's a true Conti make, you'll be welcome to put your question to the manufacturer. There's detail in the composition of the top cover & in the heat load vs. sojourn time characteristics that could maybe help you. Nevertheless and as you seem to have it done already, please tell what was the outcoming of your decision?

One could also consider buffer bunker with cooling / spray curtain installations.

Regards

R.

Re: Condition Of Belt Handling Hot Lime

Erstellt am 16. Sep. 2010 - 10:35

It's also a matter of heat transfer and material lump size etc.

To heat up the belt you have to transfer the heat from the material to the belt. But frequently with these materials the internal heat transfer is poor so a temperature gradient exists in the conveyed material. The 'core' may be 400, but the outside will cool to a lesser value.

So the problem might not be as bad as you think.

Re: Condition Of Belt Handling Hot Lime

Erstellt am 16. Sep. 2010 - 10:47

Hi ...you are going to have problems - belt cover will craze and crack and splice will lift. It is a matter of time

What is the process...comes from bottom of shaft or rotary kiln.

Pls see if they can get additional cooling in, or maybe stone box with delay period.

Adding water is going to be a no no.

Unless you can lay cooler lime onto the belt first before the hot stuff.

Other way would be cooling fans above belt...assume dust is not an issue

Cheers

rvoijen
(not verified)

Re: Condition Of Belt Handling Hot Lime

Erstellt am 21. Sep. 2010 - 01:33

The above responses are all correct.

The size of material will be of great influence as a dusty material will cool less than a lumpy material and transfer more heat into the belt. Also the length of the conveyor will be of importance, as the belt wil be allowed to cool down on the return. Effectively it will be the degree of heat transfered into the belt that will determine belt life.

The rubber will continue its vulcanising curve at these high temperatures and only very good compounds can withstand such high metarial temperatures. In the end, the rubber will become harder and loose flexibility due to the increased cross-linking inside the rubber. This will effectively lead to cracks.

With respect to the fabrics, it is a different story. On one side, the high temperature reduces the adhesion between rubber and fabric, also as the fabric treatment is affected by these high temperatures. Especially on critically designed conveyors (curves/small pulleys/short transitions etc.), this can/will lead to ply separation. As the splice area is always the weakest spot, the splice will be affected in time and typically show signs of separation after a while.

On the other side, with respect to fabrics, please note that when the temperature of the fabric (so inside the belt) exceeds about 100 deg. C a significant amount of additional stretch will occur.

Given all the above, a good quality belt and rubber compound will show its value in these extreme conditions. Should stretch become the main issue, a steel mesh carcass could be a solution, but bear in mind that is likely to require some design changes to the conveyor. And in general, the higher the temperature, the shorter the lifetime. Our Deltahete product is specified at 200-400 deg C range and can deal with these high temperatures, but when you really have 400 deg C continuous you should seriously consider steel carcass belting and accept a significantly shorter life than when running at 200 deg C.

Re: Condition Of Belt Handling Hot Lime

Erstellt am 21. Sep. 2010 - 06:33

Dear all,

We faced frequent joint problems in a steep angle conveyor ( made of fabric belts ) of similar application. The material is Do-lime. Average temperature is 125 deg Celsius and occasionally upto 180 deg Celsius. The splice joints were frequently failed- once in a month.

When there was no more margin left for hot vulcanized joint, we tried with mechanical fasteners. But it worked. Since last few months the conveyor is running ok. How this could be possible? I was thinking hot vulcanizing is better than mechanical fastener joints!

Regards,

Re: Condition Of Belt Handling Hot Lime

Erstellt am 21. Sep. 2010 - 07:42
Quote Originally Posted by sganeshView Post
Dear all,

We faced frequent joint problems in a steep angle conveyor ( made of fabric belts ) of similar application. The material is Do-lime. Average temperature is 125 deg Celsius and occasionally upto 180 deg Celsius. The splice joints were frequently failed- once in a month.

When there was no more margin left for hot vulcanized joint, we tried with mechanical fasteners. But it worked. Since last few months the conveyor is running ok. How this could be possible? I was thinking hot vulcanizing is better than mechanical fastener joints!

Regards,

As we say 'horses for courses'

There is rarely just one solution to ALL problems.

rvoijen
(not verified)

Re: Condition Of Belt Handling Hot Lime

Erstellt am 22. Sep. 2010 - 08:55
Quote Originally Posted by sganeshView Post
Dear all,

We faced frequent joint problems in a steep angle conveyor ( made of fabric belts ) of similar application. The material is Do-lime. Average temperature is 125 deg Celsius and occasionally upto 180 deg Celsius. The splice joints were frequently failed- once in a month.

When there was no more margin left for hot vulcanized joint, we tried with mechanical fasteners. But it worked. Since last few months the conveyor is running ok. How this could be possible? I was thinking hot vulcanizing is better than mechanical fastener joints!

Regards,

With this temperature range, a proper (selected) belt with vulcanised joint should pose no problems for a long time. Perhaps some geometrical issues in the conveyor or a bad quality belt/splice material is your problem?