Problems with Tracking

Posted in: , on 7. Feb. 2010 - 13:02

I would like to know your opinion on a Belt Conveyor design that I am have problems to track and load properly.

My opinion is that the design is not correct and I believe there is 4 major problems.

The conveyor is a belt conveyor 28mt long, belt width is 1800 and a troughing angle of 35 degree.

The conveyor is designed for a capacity 2000 to 2400 tph and peaks up to 2700tph.

The designers have designed this conveyor with with all troughing rollers including the impact section which has 10 impact rollers with a 2 degree tilt.

The tail pulley has been raised by 60mm and the impact area starts 1900mm from the tail pulley. There is no transition between the tail pulley and the first troughing roller which is 35 degrees. This is coursing the belt to bow up at the tail pulley.

The belt does not touch the bottom roller of the first 7 impact roller.

The belt runs diagonally from tail pulley to the head pulley, we can track the belt some what in the centre but if you try to move the belt the centre on the tail pulley (to the left the whole belt will move to the left.

You cannot steer the belt by using the troughing rollers, you can steer the belt by using the return roller but the belt still will not track straight.

The belt runs some what straight with out load but as soon as you load it track everywhere.

I have written a 4 page report to our engineering department stating what i believe the problem are and they are still not convinced there design is wrong.

I would appreciate if anyone could help with this problem.

Thank in advance.

Re: Problems With Tracking

Erstellt am 7. Feb. 2010 - 12:42

Have you satisfied yourself that the problem does not lie with the belt itself?

Horizontal Belt Conveyor

Erstellt am 7. Feb. 2010 - 03:03

Yes I am sure that the belt is not a problem as we have 7 of these conveyor with same design and same problems

Re: Problems With Tracking

Erstellt am 8. Feb. 2010 - 06:36

Well for starters the transition from the last idler to the tail pulley and the head pulley for that matter should be a 20 degree and there is a calculated distance to where that should be. The rule of thumb I use is 1 x BW (Belt Width) to the 20 degree and 1.5 x BW to the first 35 deg. So I would say that they are loading the belt much to close to the tail pulley to get the proper transiitioning required. But that may not be the reason that you are experiencing tracking problems.

I am not a believer in the pulleys being raised above the center rolls (half-troughed) - it is used to reduce the amount of transition required from the tail pulley to the first idler but there is a huge debate about this.

Never try to steer a belt by adjusting a pulley off of square to the belt. All pulleys need to be verified that they are square to the frame and parallel to each other. Then train the belt by adjusting roller frames only.

The loading of the product must be hitting at the center of the belt or it will cause the belt to mistrack off center.

How is the belt being tensioned? Has the required tension been calculated and properly applied?

I also move your post to a more related forum.

Gary Blenkhorn
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Re: Problems With Tracking

Erstellt am 8. Feb. 2010 - 09:12

Hi there..

This topic has been thrashed to extremes in previous threads, so to avoid repetition, see what has been written..

In your case it looks like the designer has no experience, and the erector forgot to align the components.

Cheers

LSL Tekpro

Graham Spriggs

Re: Problems With Tracking

Erstellt am 8. Feb. 2010 - 03:13

I just noticed that you said ALL idlers were installed with a 2 degree tilt. That is just totally wrong.

I agree with Graham on this one.

You might want to have a read here.

https://forum.bulk-online.com/showthread.php?t=18199

Gary Blenkhorn
President - Bulk Handlng Technology Inc.
Email: garyblenkhorn@gmail.com
Linkedin Profile: http://www.linkedin.com/in/gary-blenkhorn-6286954b

Offering Conveyor Design Services, Conveyor Transfer Design Services and SolidWorks Design Services for equipment layouts.

Re: Problems With Tracking

Erstellt am 8. Feb. 2010 - 03:41
Quote Originally Posted by Gary BlenkhornView Post
Well for starters the transition from the last idler to the tail pulley and the head pulley for that matter should be a 20 degree and there is a calculated distance to where that should be. The rule of thumb I use is 1 x BW (Belt Width) to the 20 degree and 1.5 x BW to the first 35 deg. So I would say that they are loading the belt much to close to the tail pulley to get the proper transiitioning required. But that may not be the reason that you are experiencing tracking problems.

I am not a believer in the pulleys being raised above the center rolls (half-troughed) - it is used to reduce the amount of transition required from the tail pulley to the first idler but there is a huge debate about this.

Never try to steer a belt by adjusting a pulley off of square to the belt. All pulleys need to be verified that they are square to the frame and parallel to each other. Then train the belt by adjusting roller frames only.

The loading of the product must be hitting at the center of the belt or it will cause the belt to mistrack off center.

How is the belt being tensioned? Has the required tension been calculated and properly applied?

I also move your post to a more related forum.

Hi Gary

Thank you for your reply.

I have set this conveyor up myself and have checked and set head and tail pulley and all troughing and return rollers to 90 degrees off the centre line.

I have never seen a conveyor with all troughing rollers having a 2 degree tilt and with the 35 degree troughing angle. I beleive that this could be some of the cause for the belt not tracking properly.

The other problem as I see it, is that the raising of the tail pulley which lifts the belt of the impact rollers causes the belt to drift when the belt is loaded as the comes down before hitting the bottom of the troughing rollers. The first impact roller is 60mm from the belt the impact rollers are 300mm apart with 10 impact rollers and we do not touch the belt with the first 7 rollers.

This conveyor is used for unloading coal from ships and the angle of the conveyor goes from plus 20 degrees to minus 25 degrees and we are unloading at a rate of 2000 to 2400tph and peaking up to 2700tph.

The belt is feed from a short horizontal screw conveyor which loads straight onto the belt.

What is your opinion of tilting the troughing rollers by 2 degree.

I agree 100% about the transition area and raising the tail pulley as I have already told this to the design engineers.

Anything else you can add to what you have already said would be a great help.

Regards

Jim Little

Re: Problems With Tracking

Erstellt am 8. Feb. 2010 - 04:08

Two degree forward tilt is not the best way to long term tracking. This requires a stable friction between belt and roller. If you wet the wing surface of one side and have applied forward tilt , you will see misalignment.

The noted prior posting from Gary with the dissertation on tracking has two points of contention.

1. Bicycle Handle Bar effect - can be misleading since most handle bars bend back toward the rider. This geometry will cause mistracking. If you insist on using forward tilt the wind roll outer position must tilt toward the head not toward the tail.

2. This dissertation has not mentioned leveling the idler crossection. This must be level otherwise the belt will seek a new offset position favoring the lower point of gravity. Think about how we bank idlers to move them off center to negotiate a horizontal curve. You can induce better tracking by gradually elevating the vertical support legs a couple of mm at a time on the side where the belt is mistracking toward, given the load station is centered and idlers are properly set 90 degrees to belt travel.

Lawrence Nordell Conveyor Dynamics, Inc. website, email & phone contacts: www.conveyor-dynamics.com nordell@conveyor-dynamics.com phone: USA 360-671-2200 fax: USA 360-671-8450

Re: Problems With Tracking

Erstellt am 9. Feb. 2010 - 07:14

Hi again..

If you drew a graph of training effect vs. roll angle to the belt, then once you get over about 4 degrees the steering effect gets erratic and of little use.

Normal tilt is up to 1 degree, but 2 degrees is still OK.

(You should see the geometry of the idler rolls for my horizontally curved conveyors.. thereafter you would not worry about 2 degrees.)

You must however have the belt troughing nicely down in the rolls to get good tracking. Therefore don't go 1/2 x trough depth at the transition, limit this to 1/3 x trough depth maximum.

Align the thing properly, load it centrally, nice 1/3rd transition, straight belt, good splice.. and it will track well.

(Gary agrees with me on this one...wow... no wonder it has finally stopped raining in Johannesburg...)

Cheers

LSL Tekpro

Graham Spriggs