Are you asking for specifications regarding related to:

Are you referring to the actual erection of the conveyor belt system?

What is the proposed routing of the conveyor?, what is the tonnage per hour?,

an overland conveyor of that distance requires a lot of physical plant.

Its fine to ask but all the information you are asking us for is available from conveyor suppliers.

Another option is a "Pneumatic Capsule Pipeline" delivery system. The PCP requires none of the equipment required of the belt conveyor and operates with 95 to 98 percent efficiency and is unaffected by wet weather or extremes in temperature and can be fully automatic operating around the clock with one employee overseeing the loading and unloading stations.

lzaharis ■

Greetings and salutations,

With no disrespect to you;

As you mentioned in your message you are overseeing everything yourself, and if I spent several hours detailing exactly what would be required for the installation

of a set of three conveyors over a 19 Kilometer with one conveyor discharging to two smaller ones over this distance for every posssible installation scenario and the type of system desired with known and unknown hazards for installation, I would be guilty of taking away consulting fees and stealing food off the table of a number of my fellow members here including Conveyor Dynamics International, Dos Santos International, Libran Seth Engineering, Mizun Consulting and many other worthy members of the forum.

The vulcanizing of a conveyor belt has many factors leading to a sucessful or unsuccessful conclusion and has many parts and issues which must be determined prior to any work of any kind.

What a dear trusted friend has always told me rings true especially in this case:

"A road map is no substitute for experience"

The amount of design work, and preparation for any conveyor is very large no matter the product moved.

lzaharis ■

Dear Deepak, Please note that with the help of flow sheet no body can advise you about erection of conveying system. You will have to provide the following details--

1. General arrangement of the system with cross sections showing various levels.

2. Contour lines/datas.

Again for the good job you will have to look for an experianced contractor and PMC team.Since, you are procuring parts from various vendors it will not be an easy job for you.

I think your company- ESSAR(if I am not wrong) is very capable of handling the same.

Regards, Anil Seth

Libran Engineering& Services

09811055650 ■

Dear Deepak, After going through the flowsheet attached by you the numbers of yard conveyors are YC-1,YC-2 AND YC-3 and numbers of stockpiles are four(widthwise) .Since, you have not provided the cross sections of stockpiles I can judge out that you have 4 nos. of stockpiles each having 35-40 m width.Now,instead of going for 4 nos. of stockpiles each having 35-40 m width it is better to go for 40m(RHS)--75m(CENTER) -40M (LHS).By doing like this the capacity of stockpile will not change and also you will be saving one complete yard conveyor and also handling equipment like stacker/reclaimer and bucket wheel reclaimers will reduced down.

Anil Seth

Libran Engineering&Services. ■

Originally Posted by deepakvermaa

Since , this is my first Coal handling project, I want to gain max. knowledge out of it!

Very worthy, but if the work is beyond your capabilities then you must expect to PAY for the privilege of using someone else's knowledge. ■

I sincerely apologise as I do not know if your comment is directed towards me or designer.

I as a moderator would like to see the yelling and arguing stop regading this posting and finally decide to remove the entire mess.

We are blessed with members who have both formal and on the job training involving hundreds of disciplines related to bulk handling for mineral and foodstuffs; and collectively we all agree on what can work what does work and what will not work what works now and what can work and create consequences that are both disastrous in monetary terms and physical in terms of machinery down time and personal injury or death.

Design engineering is a discipline that is exacting and and demanding and is a fickle fussy mistress no matter who is involved and quite often becomes one of fix it now and right the first time or fix it later at a greater expense with longer down time.

I have either fortunately or unfortunately been the very very mad Mahoot who is left to deal with the consequences of someone elses lapses in judgement and been both the shovel bearer and leader left to fix a mess left by others many times.

Power and steam plant erection is no different than building a continous miner as they both have to be built from the bottom upwards due to the downward flow of both coal and water for steam making.

A belt conveyor of any size is no different as engineering principles are also required to be adhered to; everything must be linear-except in the case of curved conveyors and the installation sequence has a specific model to follow or three times the work will be involved if it is done the wrong way ; this applies to any conveyor belt of any size.

The forum here is place where we discuss things freely and relate or experiences from what we have learned in our lifes work and or in the class room with most of the engineering diciplines having known rules and formulae.

So please lets just tone down the argument/discussion before I come to the conclusion that the posting must be deleted for the good of the forum and our members.

We all want everyone to succeed in their collective endeavors and the existance and proof of the bulk on line forum prooves that every day and every hour it is operating for many diciplines involing the handling of bulk materials.

lzaharis ■

If you want to make a point there is no need to SHOUT.

Originally Posted by deepakvermaa

I THOUGHT THE FORUM IS OPEN TO ALL IRRESPECTIVE OF INDIVISUAL CAPABILITIES, WHERE ONE CAN GAIN KNOWLEDGE ABOUT THE SUBJECT IN WHICH HE/SHE IS NEW...

It is but be careful not to exceed what is a reasonable request

It was ever thus

When I started out all those years ago, if I did not know something I asked my colleagues. When they did not know I asked friends, or friends of friends, or my past lecturers or spent time in technical libraries. If all these sources failed then we had to get in a consultant, and pay him. Of course we took the opportunity to learn as much as possible from him.

With the internet and discussion forums there is the opportunity to seek help world wide. But in many forums currently there seems to be a trend for those who are seeking help to have taken on a job which they have no experience to do, then post messages on forums for others to give them their experience of a lifetime for no return. Free advice is one thing, free detailed design, engineering and consultancy is clearly unreasonable and should not be expected. ■

Dear Deepak, designer, Izaharis,

Civilized communication is the least that we can expect from the forum members.

Asking is free.

Answering is a free choice.

As it comes to free designing, I think that I do that in the pneumatic conveying section now and then. (under the condition that the calculations are only indicative and for informative explanation of the phenomena of pneumatic conveying only)

I must admit that some thread starters seem to be at the beginning of their career and expect this forum to supply them with direct implementable knowledge and experience in a few answers.

This is, of course, impossible.

However, I appreciate their efforts to gain knowledge and as far as we can and do not interfere with the sponsors of this forum and withhold the thread starters from mistakes, I think we should help in the most polite way possible.

dear Deepak, rather than ask for a project schedule, it might be better to ask for certain aspects after you have studied and evaluated the project. Then we can help you instead of your company. (unfortunately is money an necessary problem in this world)

Success

Teus ■

Dear Deepak,

Having installed some large powered conveyor schemes in the coal industry over the years, it really is impossible to give specific advice on the installation process, as in my experience, the installation circumstances are nearly always different from site to site, conveyor to conveyor.

I served an apprenticeship, and worked alongside experienced engineers until I had a acquired the basic knowledge to become a lead engineer. It really is a process of evolving to the point you are competent, and in my opinion cannot be rushed. Once these basics are understood, and they have to be, then you should be able to deal with almost any situation that should cross your path.

Your desire to learn should be commended, and I fully appreciate were you are coming from.

However if at this time you do not feel as though you are currently experienced enough to lead the project, I would strongly advise that you find someone who is, employ him for the duration of the project, sit on his shirt tails and learn as much as possible. Also spend as much time with the chaps doing the actual work as possible, rather than in the office. Long term it will stand you in good stead.

Good luck with the project ■