Re: Meaning Of "Vacuum Transition Point"?

Erstellt am 12. Mar. 2009 - 09:06

Dear meijden20,

The description “onderdruk overnamepunt” seems to be a “made up” description to attempt to describe the function of that element.

(It is probably a material transition point under vacuum)

The context of this part in the intended installation must reveal the function of this transition point and the meaning of this description.

With more information about the installation, this rather cryptically description can be decoded.

Dear Michael,

Teus Tuinenburg might not know.

Best regards

Teus

Teus

Re: Meaning Of "Vacuum Transition Point"?

Erstellt am 12. Mar. 2009 - 09:47
Quote Originally Posted by Teus TuinenburgView Post
Dear meijden20,

The description “onderdruk overnamepunt” seems to be a “made up” description to attempt to describe the function of that element.

(It is probably a material transition point under vacuum)

The context of this part in the intended installation must reveal the function of this transition point and the meaning of this description.

With more information about the installation, this rather cryptically description can be decoded.

Dear Michael,

Teus Tuinenburg might not know.

Best regards

Teus

It just proves that there's a first time for everything!

meijden20
(not verified)

Re: Meaning Of "Vacuum Transition Point"?

Erstellt am 12. Mar. 2009 - 02:38

The filterunit is used as dust collector for venting of fly ash silo. The design specs state:

Vacuum transition point : 10 daPa

dustlevel: <20gr / m3 i.N.

ash-size: 1-100mu

flow: max 7200 m3/hr i.B. and 100 degree C

Talking about 10 daPa (10 mbar) it seems logical to assume it has something to do with the difference in air-pressure between silo and environment. But why make up such a fancy term like "vacuum transition point".

Re: Meaning Of "Vacuum Transition Point"?

Erstellt am 12. Mar. 2009 - 04:30

Dear meijden,

The question "why"should be asked to the author of the specification, you refer to.

A certain underpressure in a silo is normally maintained to prevent dust emissions through leaks and safety valves.

Also have a look at:

https://forum.bulk-online.com/showthread.php?t=15684

Have a nice day

Teus

Teus

meijden20
(not verified)

Re: Meaning Of "Vacuum Transition Point"?

Erstellt am 12. Mar. 2009 - 06:32

Ha Teus,

thnx for your fast response.

While discussing this subject I wonder if the 'vacuum transition point' has anything to do with the filterunit. Supplier actually doesn't have a clue either and the author can't explain this spec anymore.

The silo isn't designed with active systems to create a continous underpressure or vacuum. Over-/underpressure is only existst when handling the fly-ash (fill / empty silo). Underpressure is not a real issue, while the flow -leaving the silo- is limited. Overpressure is more an issue when filling up the silo. When filling, a blower behind the filterunit is activated to release air from the silo. Safety valves are installed in case of an emergency.

I Actually did hope it had something to do with the max differential pressure for the filters. Measurements indicate an actual diff.pressure between 8 and 15 mbar. Exceeding the 10 daPa would then be a possible root cause in filterdefects. But that would be another thread.

All replies are greatly appreciated.

Meijden

Re: Meaning Of "Vacuum Transition Point"?

Erstellt am 12. Mar. 2009 - 08:08

Dear meijden20,

Being retired, makes a fast response possible.

A filter differential pressure of 15 mbar (150 mmWC) is hardly to believe the cause of a filter failure.

In my experience, I have seen filters operating perfectly with differential pressures up

to 350 mmWC for extended periods.

More important is the filterload in m/min (m3/min)/(m2).

For the very fine flyash (1- 100 micron), a filterload of 1.5 m/min or lower is advised.

(consult the filter supplier)

Too fierce and too often pulse cleaning can cause the dust-cake to be blown to dust again, causing the dust to be drawn back into the filter right away (known as over cleaning)

Your remark that the flyash has a temperature of 100 degrC is also a factor to pay attention to.

Depending on the filter fabric, this could be too high.

Forensic investigation on the failed filters and operational measurements as well as checking

(or making) the design calculations is the way to solve this type of problems.

success

Teus

Teus

Filters For High Temperature

Erstellt am 13. Mar. 2009 - 03:53

Porvair Filtration Group porvairfiltration.com provides filters for hot gasses and solids handling at elevated temperatures. The company's product range includes pulse-jet systems with filters made from sintered metal fiber as well as fluidizing media and air fluidizing pads made of sintered metal composites. The rugged high-flow metal filters are readily designed to a specified flow and differential pressure.

Re: Meaning Of "Vacuum Transition Point"?

Erstellt am 13. Mar. 2009 - 06:12

Another thought... The phrase might refer to a point on the exhaust fan's Pressure-Flow curve (near the peak) where its operation becomes unstable but I don't really see how this can be useful.

You haven't said if there is a problem with the system?

Michael Reid.