Torque Arm/Drive Base Run Out

MichaelBates
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Posted in: , on 26. Jun. 2008 - 06:48

Hi

I note in a previous thread on Drive Base and Drive System Assembling various requirements for limiting shaft mouted drive base precession were mentioned by Mr Nordell

My query is can anyone give me some guidlines on an acceptable limit for the run out/precession?

I have a dual 355kW drive. Visually one side has approx 20mm swing and the other approx 40mm as seen at the motor end.

Obviously the more wobble the quicker the torque arm link will wear out, are there other risks/consequences of large run out?

Thanks

Swingbase Wobble

Erstellt am 26. Jun. 2008 - 08:53

Typical motor motion, at the end of a shaft mounted drive, should be less than 5mm on a drive size of 500 kW and higher. Palabora, at 2350 kW, had a swingbase precession on ~3-5mm, in all three planes. I have noted many other installations with similar or smaller motion.

I would consider 20-40mm end precession to be large, with something amiss, and indicative of poor machining, or alignment of the low speed coupling, or quill of the hollow shaft bore, or other connection. The machining and fitting tolerances are normally specified to limit the motion to the normal conditions stated.

If you take care using proper mounting bearings, there will be no torque link or torque arm wear of consequence, even with the high wobble.

Lawrence Nordell Conveyor Dynamics, Inc. website, email & phone contacts: www.conveyor-dynamics.com nordell@conveyor-dynamics.com phone: USA 360-671-2200 fax: USA 360-671-8450
Lyle Brown
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Re: Torque Arm/Drive Base Run Out

Erstellt am 26. Jun. 2008 - 09:54

Some Client have specifications (rigid coupling). Some (rigid) coupling suppliers provide guidelines.

Not sure what (if) they are based on.

You can work out what TIR at the coupling (assuming rigid) results in the movement you are measuring.

Are the cited displacements based on measurement (dial indicator, say)? Sometimes actual measurements are smaller than 'gauged by eye (seeing a drive flopping around sometimes evokes an overreaction).

You can calculate the force associated with displacement also (basic physics), though relative to the other loads, in my experience is not so large.

It is not pleasant to watch.

I personally, would be more worried about someone getting pinched through the movement (at the torque arm) and possibly injured.

Regards,

Lyle

Accuracy Of Rigid Coupling To Control Precession

Erstellt am 26. Jun. 2008 - 05:02

We assume the rigid coupling is being used or the reducer has a shaft mount bore arrangement.

Specifications often control the minimum alignment of the rigid coupling by controlling the manufacturing process to wit:

1. Coupling halves have the connection bolts match bored, after the flange contact faces are machined and mated.

2. Pilot holes are drill and fitted with pins to control the bolt circle of the flange connection bolts

3. Perpendicularity is measured between the contact faces and connecting bolt circle to facilitate match boring of the main shaft diameters.

3. Main shaft diameters are then match bored with the connecting flange contact faces assembled, knowing/measuring the accuracy of the perpendicularity and concentricity of the main bore to the locating/pilot fitted pins.

Lawrence Nordell Conveyor Dynamics, Inc. website, email & phone contacts: www.conveyor-dynamics.com nordell@conveyor-dynamics.com phone: USA 360-671-2200 fax: USA 360-671-8450

Re: Torque Arm/Drive Base Run Out

Erstellt am 10. Mar. 2009 - 05:33

Dear Mr.Teus,

You have posted at different thread. ( plastic beads problem in Torque arm run out )

Regards,

Re: Torque Arm/Drive Base Run Out

Erstellt am 10. Mar. 2009 - 05:51

Dear Mr sganesh,

Thank you for your attention and I apologize for the mistake.

best regards

teus

Teus