Variable speed & speed sensor

Posted in: , on 23. Jun. 2008 - 17:06

The speed sensor monitors the speed of the conveyor by means of sensing the pulses generated per minute. Now I have 02 questions.

A) What should be the percentage between the minimum pulses to be counted to that of actual pulses generated per minute?

B) How the speed sensor works for the conveyors having variable speed (either mechanical or electrical) ? Can the sensing qty can be automatically varied according to the drive pulley RPM ?

Re: Variable Speed & Speed Sensor

Erstellt am 23. Jun. 2008 - 04:38

What I've done is -

1) set the sensor at 85% of normal running speed

2) use one sensor on the driving pulley and one on a driven pulley, then monitor the difference between them.

Best done with a mini PLC unit.

It worked OK!

Thank You Note

Erstellt am 25. Jun. 2008 - 07:24

Simple but a great idea. Thank you very much.

Re: Variable Speed & Speed Sensor

Erstellt am 26. Aug. 2008 - 03:07

Dear Mr.Designer,

I am about to implement your idea.

But I was told that there will be always 2 to 3% of slippage between drive and nondrive pulleys particularly rubber lagged drive pulleys& this would exist not only during starting, but at any point of running time.

Will this be true?

Thank you,

Re: Variable Speed & Speed Sensor

Erstellt am 26. Aug. 2008 - 09:35

I wouldn't like guarantee it, however once you have the kit installed you'll be able to find out EXACTLY what happens.

Let us know what you find.

Re: Variable Speed & Speed Sensor

Erstellt am 27. Aug. 2008 - 09:43

A proper encoder design will include quadrature two track A;B square waves. Each track provides a leading and trailing edge pulse. Thus, with quadrature you have four signals. This allows filtration of spurious noise so the signal is only: A Leading-A Trailing; B Leading-B Trailing or A Leading-B Leading; A Trailing-B Trailing.

Our transducer does this and optically isolates against undesirable voltage potentials that plague instruments.

TYpical encoder pulse count is 500 ppr; 1000 ppr; 2000 ppr and 8000 ppr. The higher count may be due to mounting on the high speed shaft, or wish to have 1% accuracy at 1% speed, and 1% accuracy at 100% speed. How quick does the control need to be to regulate at all speeds, and the scan cycle of the PLC. If the encoder is mounted on a 100 hz pulley, then at 1000 ppr you have .1 megahertz or with quadrature you have 0.4 megahertz.

We design for PLC scan cycles of 10-20 ms and require 3 scan cycles before a decision is processed to eliminate bouncing contactors, electrical noise such as contractor closures, walky-talky pulses, et al. At least 5 pulses are needed to obtain a reasonably accurate speed reference, added to the scan and low speed

Some simple systems only count the high pulse on a sine wave. This type is not an accurate signal generator at low speed.

Belt elastic differential between drive and non-drive is much less than you 1-2%. 1% would give a motor torque differential between pulleys of 100%. Not desirable and not likely. Pulley lagging wear can result in 10-50% power differential, drive motors have between 1 and 2% electrical slip, and elastically, steel cord will have a fraction of 1% while fabric can approach 1% with the more flexible fabrics.

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Thank You Note

Erstellt am 5. Oct. 2008 - 12:52

Thank you designer for the suggestion I got through this wise Forum. I implemented and took trial. Irrespective of any speed, sensor is tripping the conveyor, when it senses that the driven pulley's pulses is lower than that of the drive pulley's pulses.

Thank you all once again

Re: Variable Speed & Speed Sensor

Erstellt am 5. Oct. 2008 - 01:19

Glad to have been able to offer positive advice.

Re: Variable Speed & Speed Sensor

Erstellt am 5. Oct. 2008 - 04:17

Dear Designer,

What is the difference between a driven and drive pulley?

Maybe its really a driven and non-drive or non-driven?

Lawrence Nordell Conveyor Dynamics, Inc. website, email & phone contacts: www.conveyor-dynamics.com nordell@conveyor-dynamics.com phone: USA 360-671-2200 fax: USA 360-671-8450

Re: Variable Speed & Speed Sensor

Erstellt am 5. Oct. 2008 - 06:50

A drive pulley drives.

A driven pulley is driven.

E.g. consider a v-belt drive

The pulley mounted on the motor shaft is a drive pulley, while that mounted on the machine the the motor drives is a driven pulley.

At least that's the way it is in the land of the English language :-)

Re: Variable Speed & Speed Sensor

Erstellt am 5. Oct. 2008 - 07:28

I do agree with your assessment. However, do you agree with mine, given conventional motor to drive pulley and driven pulley are one and the same?

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Re: Variable Speed & Speed Sensor

Erstellt am 5. Oct. 2008 - 08:12

Considering the specific case of a belt conveyor.

The driving pulley/pulleys are those that impart power and motion to the belt so that it can convey material, i.e. the pulley drives the belt.

The driven pulley/pulleys are those that rotate only because the belt is moving causing the rotation and imparting the necessary power to overcome the resistance to rotation however small that may be, i.e. the belt drives the pulley.

Re: Variable Speed & Speed Sensor

Erstellt am 6. Oct. 2008 - 12:09

Yes, now I see. It is the non-driven pulley that is the driven pulley.

Gosh.

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