Sieve Design

Posted in: , on 9. Apr. 2008 - 20:18

I guess I'm back in the shaker business again. I posted a while back about some shaker conveyors, and you guys were very helpful. We built two conveyors, and I guess the customer liked them so much, they want us to build them a sieve shaker. We have only built trommel screens so this is a new challenge. This is what the customer requires.

They want to build a sieve shaker similar to fig 1.7, chapter 4, in the VSMA Handbook. It will have a total of ten shelves, with perforated plate screens. The screens will have square openings in the following sizes: 3",2.5",2",1.5",1.25",1",0.75",0.5",0.25" and the last drawer will be solid. They want to dump the product in at the top, run the machine for some period of time, an then measure the amount of materail in each drawer.

The material is the waste product from a scrap yard. The material (mostly cars) goes through a shredder. The material then passes under a large drum magnet and most of the ferrous material is removed. It proceeds to a trommel and the material is seperated into 3 or 4 sizes. Each size then goes down onto a shaker conveyor, over another drum magnet to remove more ferrous material, over another shaker then onto an eddy current separator. The eddy current separators typically have a long throw, short throw and then the rest goes into a waste pile. The customer wants to take this waste material and further process it to extract more "good" material. I don't really know the details of how they plan to process this material, but they want the sieve to determine the particle size that they are working with. So the material is primarily "fluff" (foam, plasitc, rubber, dirt), some nonferrous material and traces of ferrous material. I really can't give you a definite materail density since it varies greatly with moisture content (due to the large amounts of foam from car seats). If I had to guess, I would say it ranges from 15 to 40 lbs/ft^3.

I consulted the chart for the stroke and speed in the VSMA handbook for a horizontal screen w/ dry 100 lb/ft^3 material. (fig 1.2 ch 6) It appears that I should be running at 800 to 850 rpms, 1/2" to 5/8" stroke, and 5 to 6 g's. How do I adjust for material weight and moisture content?

Here is where I run into a problem. The customer is trying to save money by supplying two electric rotary vibrators, that he has on hand. I am stuck designing around these vibrators. The vibrators are Vibtec model MVSI 10/1110-S90 operating at 60 Hz. They have adjustable eccentric weights ranging from 0 lb in. to 62 lb in. each. They produce a max force of 2538 lbs at a a nomimal RPM of 1200 rpm. Each vibrator weighs 131 lbs.

I don't think that this is the right drive setup for this application. In order to achieve a 1/2" stroke I would have to limit the entire weight of my setup to around 500 lbs. That is not likely since my motors weigh in at 262 lbs. I am looking for some advice on this problem. Are my stroke and speed estimates correct.

Another problem I am having is determining the proper way to arrange the vibrators. Here are the arrangements that I am considering.

1) Mounting the vibrators on opposite sides, with the shafts horizontal, so that all of my force, and stroke, is in the vertical direction. I worry that the larger pieces will just bounce straight up and down and plug the holes.

2) I thought about tilting the drawers a few degrees and rotating the the motors slightly so that material will have "walk" uphill. I am not sure what angle would be best for the screens and the vibrators.

3) I thought about putting the motors on opposite sides, but turning the shafts 45 degrees off of vertical. I wanted to tilt the motors in opposite directions to create a twisting motion. I was afraid that this motion would just be erratic and would just twist itself apart.

4) I thought turning the shafts vertically and just shaking the screen back and forth. I am still worried about plugging since I will not be tossing the material.

5) I thought about a single vibrator mounted verticals to "swirl" the screen, but same problem as #4.

Sorry about the long winded post, but I wanted to give you as much detail as possible. I would appreciate any help, as I am not typically a shaker man.

Thanks,

Rob Brooker

Covington, Ky

Sieve Testing Unit

Erstellt am 12. Apr. 2008 - 09:53

That unit in VSMA referred to is a standard approved device for TESTING mtls to meet strict guidelines.

My first recommendation is to just recommend they BUY complete one of those units.......probably a GILSON SIEVE TESTING SHAKER UNIT. Properly setup with stroke, RPM, etc to test mtls in a 5-10 minute time span and then measure amounts passing each sieve to determine fractions.

TO BUILD your own, if my customer.....i would honestly respond no.....as it is not an approved testing device at that point.

I am fairly sure the results would not be proper....BUT,

On the INVICTA style motors.......i will supply a pic of a setup FYI showing the vibrator orientation on the box.

As far as applying VSMA guidelines...to this app......is it not truly applicable.....it is NOT A BLACK & WHITE answer FOR speed stroke slope in this particular instance.

If you use his motors......you will basically have a range from ZERO offset amplitude to MAX offset amplitude (full stroke) and a range in between to fine tune the shaking aspect. It will be a setup, adjust and see deal basically.

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One More Example Fyi

Erstellt am 12. Apr. 2008 - 09:56

HERE YA GO....we built this setup in our shop....BUT, there are many setups possible.

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One Last Pointer

Erstellt am 14. Apr. 2008 - 04:33

On the testing shaker in the VSMA....reference you gave.....they basically would put enough STROKE action in it.......to clear the TOP DECK largest opening.....

for as we say in this business of vibrating screens........if ya don't clear the top deck.........forget the rest.........if we PLUG the top ...the rest won't see mtl.

Best Regards, George Baker Regional Sales Manager - Canada TELSMITH Inc Mequon, WI 1-519-242-6664 Cell E: (work) [email]gbaker@telsmith.com[/email] E: (home) [email] gggman353@gmail.com[/email] website: [url]www.telsmith.com[/url] Manufacturer of portable, modular and stationary mineral processing equipment for the aggregate and mining industries.

Re: Sieve Design

Erstellt am 14. Apr. 2008 - 05:34

Rob

the mechanisms are small - to get 5.6g you can run it at 1200 rpm with the total mass of 650kg. Running it at 850 rpm your max mass is 330 kg to get your 5.6 g.

The screen is going to be rather soft so watch out for natural frequencies.

Let me know if you have any questions

Regards

Ziggy

Ziggy Gregory www.vibfem.com.au

Re: Sieve Design

Erstellt am 14. Apr. 2008 - 03:28

So in your humble opinions, what would be an optimum stroke for this application to clear the top deck?

Re: Sieve Design

Erstellt am 15. Apr. 2008 - 02:13

Rob

G force is a function of rpm and stroke and mass of the screen - @ 1200 rpm you will get about 7mm stroke and at 850 rpm 14 mm for the same g force but you have to change your mass to get the same g force with lower rpm.

I would prefer lower rpm and higher stroke in this case.

Regards

Ziggy Gregory

Ziggy Gregory www.vibfem.com.au

Opinion

Erstellt am 15. Apr. 2008 - 03:36

3/8 at 850rpm will clear the 3" per VSMA and in reality.

Best Regards, George Baker Regional Sales Manager - Canada TELSMITH Inc Mequon, WI 1-519-242-6664 Cell E: (work) [email]gbaker@telsmith.com[/email] E: (home) [email] gggman353@gmail.com[/email] website: [url]www.telsmith.com[/url] Manufacturer of portable, modular and stationary mineral processing equipment for the aggregate and mining industries.