Apron Feeder Chain Installation

mickrogers001
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Posted in: , on 11. Dec. 2007 - 15:54

Hi All,

I am hoping for help on some present difficulties...

Our installation has been somewhat problematic. It is a 90kW, 2m * 14m Krupp feeder running on Cat chains, at an incline of 20 deg above horizontal. The actual drive torque is provided by twin Hagglunds MA566 hydraulic motors, mounted on the ends of the head pulley/sprocket shaft.

One problem experienced has been frequent breakage of chain links (generally a joining link).

Another is that the feeder will not run at less than a 50% speed setting. I am used to being able to run such a system from a dead stop, seamlessly up to full speed. In this case however, it just stops.

Someone has suggested that the chain/pans may be installed "backwards" - ie the direction of travel is incorrect. Is that possible, what impact does it have on the operation of the equipment?

Any thoughts?

Thanks!

Mick

Re: Apron Feeder Chain Installation

Erstellt am 11. Dec. 2007 - 05:56

Breakage of chain links.

You have not indicated how/where the break occurs, but I would have expected this to be a rare occurrence. Are you using genuine Cat parts? If so I would return a broken link to them and ask them to explain the reason for the failure. If not, then get independent advice as to the nature of the failure. Chain links rarely fail in tension.

Failure to run at less than 50% speed.

What happens? I presume you have a fixed displacement motor and variable displacement pump in your hydraulic drive system so if you can generate sufficient torque to run at high speed there should be sufficient torque available at low speed (torque being approximately proportional to system pressure).

Regarding the the correct running direction of pans/chain this should be specified in the manufacturers handbook for the machine. (You might also check the Cat web site for any guidance although tracked vehicles are normally expected to work in both directions.)

mickrogers001
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Re: Apron Feeder Chain Installation

Erstellt am 11. Dec. 2007 - 07:30

G'day Designer,

The chains are genuine Cat items to the best of my knowledge. The entire installation is +10 years old, having been brought to site second hand. The assumption has been that they are "due" to fail. We have new chain/pans on order. The theory with the chains being on backwards is that with the pan overlap facing backwards it opens up when passing around the head pulley, allowing discharging ore to fill the gap, which is then unable to close up completely as the chain passes to the return side, placing increased tension on the chain. I am not sure about this, as there is a degree of sag in the return chain.

RE: the speed, we do have the setup you decribe, but you have prompted me to consider that perhaps the variable displacement pump is unable to generate the required pressure at lower displacement settings because of a high bypass rate (worn pistons/bores) in either the pump or motor. I will check that out.

Thanks,

Mick

Re: Apron Feeder Chain Installation

Erstellt am 11. Dec. 2007 - 08:27

Where does the chain fail, in the main body of the link, at the connecting pin, the pin itself?? Frequently with chain links the failure mode is that of fatigue, the failure surface being quite smooth with "beach marks" indicating the growth of the fracture surface until failure takes place.

Without a drawing/sketch it is difficult to comment on the direction of rotation of the pans. Can you post something to illustrate?

Re: Apron Feeder Chain Installation

Erstellt am 14. Dec. 2007 - 01:40

On the DOR bit, if material is trapped in the alledged gap then there must be some smaller material getiing through onto the return strand. Have you seen this & what do you do with it?

John Gateley johngateley@hotmail.com www.the-credible-bulk.com

mickrogers001
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Re: Apron Feeder Chain Installation

Erstellt am 14. Dec. 2007 - 04:27

G'day,

Have been busy a couple of days. A sketch attached.

The failures occur mid link (often the joining link) and at the pin lands. To my knowledge we have not had a failure of a pin.

The fines passing through (very old tired pans) builds up after a time on the return belt at the tail pulley and has to be sparged out lest it derails the chain.

Regards

Mick

Re: Apron Feeder Chain Installation

Erstellt am 14. Dec. 2007 - 04:42

Originally posted by mickrogers001

A sketch attached.

You sure? Can't see it myself?

mickrogers001
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Re: Apron Feeder Chain Installation

Erstellt am 15. Dec. 2007 - 09:36

Yes, apparently it didn't make it on...trying again.

Attachments

apron feeder pan arrangment (JPG)

mickrogers001
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Re: Apron Feeder Chain Installation

Erstellt am 15. Dec. 2007 - 10:04

Here is a picture of the last failure. You are looking down at the underside of the chain/pans, ie the return chain. Travel direction is right to left.

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fayalala broken link 001 small (JPG)

Re: Apron Feeder Chain Installation

Erstellt am 15. Dec. 2007 - 10:05

I'd say the pans were the wrong way round for the direction of travel. They open up a gap allowing product to fall through on passing round the sprocket.

Anyway, that's my two pennyworth.

mickrogers001
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Re: Apron Feeder Chain Installation

Erstellt am 16. Dec. 2007 - 08:16

Well, I have managed to locate the installation manual and your two pennyworth is well spent designer - you are spot on.

Thanks one and all.

Regards,

Mick