Solids flow measurement in a gas

Posted in: , on 19. Sep. 2007 - 13:20

Dear all,

I would like to measure the flow rate of solids in the gas flow. This should be an online measurement. The pipe diameter is 5 mm. Could you please mention the different instruments useful for this purpose?

Thanks in advance.

Regards,

Rahul

Question For The Experts

Erstellt am 4. Oct. 2007 - 10:48

Dear all,

Is there no way to measure the solids flow rate online (per every 0.1 sec) in a gas? I know that the total mass flow rate can just be measured by mass of the batch divided by total time.

Isn't there a solution for this in food industry?

I am very much looking forward to your replies.

Regards,

Rahul

Re: Solids Flow Measurement In A Gas

Erstellt am 4. Oct. 2007 - 12:54

It is always easy and cheaper to measure the solid rate at injection point rather measure it inline i.e. a loss in weight feeder into a rotary valve for lean phase system and it will also give the required signal for solid rate.

Mantoo

Re: Solids Flow Measurement In A Gas

Erstellt am 4. Oct. 2007 - 01:55

Dear Mantoo,

First of all, thank you for your reply.

Regarding measuring at the injection point, it is not possible, since i am transporting the solids using pneumatic transport.

I am really looking for some solution which can give me solids flow rate by measuring the pressure difference in the horizontal pipe.

More input please!!

Regards,

Rahul

Re: Solids Flow Measurement In A Gas

Erstellt am 4. Oct. 2007 - 03:04

Capacitance or electrostatic probes have been used by various academic researchers for this purpose but I am not aware of any commercial system. Read the following post

https://forum.bulk-online.com/showth...=electrostatic

What kind of accuracies are you looking for? Measuring pressure is not a good idea for a number for reasons i.e the conveying pressures fluctuate during conveying, the dp across the filter varies with time etc.

Mantoo

Measuring Mass Flow Rate Of Solids Online!

Erstellt am 4. Oct. 2007 - 03:11

Dear Lyn,

I would like to measure the suspended coal powder's mass flow rate in a gas stream. This should be an online measurement per every 0.1 seconds. The measurement need not be accurate, but should be robust.

Brief description of my setup:

It has a horizontal pipe of 5 mm diameter. The coal powder is of 50 micron meters. I am transporting coal using air. I want to measure the mass flow rate of coal online per every 0.1 seconds just to know if the flow is consistent.

It would be a great favor if you could give your suggestions.

I look forward to your reply.

With best regards,

Rahul

Re: Solids Flow Measurement In A Gas

Erstellt am 4. Oct. 2007 - 04:27

Capacitance or electrostatic probes have been used by various academic researchers for this purpose but I am not aware of any commercial system. Read the following post

https://forum.bulk-online.com/sh...t=electrostatic

What kind of accuracies are you looking for? Measuring pressure is not a good idea for a number for reasons i.e the conveying pressures fluctuate during conveying, the dp across the filter varies with time etc.

Dear Mantoo,

Thanks again for the information. I contacted some experts about the capacitance and or electrostatic probes, who posted in the thread given by you. I will have to wait for their replies.

I am not looking for accurate measurements, but quick response devices (per every 0.1 secs) to know that my flow is consistent. I will have vibrations in the feeding system, hence weighing online is unreliable.

Could you also explain why measuring pressure drop in the system is not a good idea? Doesn't it say something about the flow of solids?

Thanks again.

I look forward to your reply.

With best regards,

Rahul

Re: Solids Flow Measurement In A Gas

Erstellt am 4. Oct. 2007 - 05:59

Conveying line pressure is cyclic even at constant conveying conditions. There are a number of reasons for it i.e. could be pulsation from the blower, non consistent feed into the system or pulses from reverse jet filters etc. The amplitude of these pulses will be far greater then the change in pressure due to solid flow rate.

If you want an academic solution, put a clear section in the conveying line and use a light source and a photocell opposite to each other in the conveying line and relate the output from the photocell to solid rate. 0.1 sec reading can be done easily from there. The drawback with this method in scaring / deposit of material on clear section you will have to think a solution for that.

Mantoo

Re: Solids Flow Measurement In A Gas

Erstellt am 10. Oct. 2007 - 04:35

Dear Mantoo,

Thank you for your suggestion. Is there a clear description about this light source and photocell method somewhere? It would be helpful if you can give a description about it.

Thanking you.

With best regards,

Rahul

Re: Solids Flow Measurement In A Gas

Erstellt am 10. Oct. 2007 - 05:52

Academic solutions require a lot of reading, thinking, using your own brain and designing your one novel kit. You have been directed and now it is your job to figure a way out to solve this problem. I don’t like spoon feeding the students … they become lazy…

Mantoo

Re: Solids Flow Measurement In A Gas

Erstellt am 11. Oct. 2007 - 08:21

Originally posted by Mantoo

Academic solutions require a lot of reading, thinking, using your own brain and designing your one novel kit. You have been directed and now it is your job to figure a way out to solve this problem. I don’t like spoon feeding the students … they become lazy…



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Re: Solids Flow Measurement In A Gas

Erstellt am 12. Oct. 2007 - 10:20

Dear all,

Let's be positive and keep this forum as a good learning platform.

Let's be professionals!

Thanks to everyone who supported me by giving their valuable advices.

Regards,

Rahul