Re: Buffer Force Calculation In Gantry Cranes
It's just a matter of energy, the energy of the crane is transferred into the buffer. But you haven't told us what type of buffer you are using? ■
Re: Buffer Force Calculation In Gantry Cranes
Originally posted by designer
It's just a matter of energy, the energy of the crane is transferred into the buffer.
Agreed.
Suggest you consult your local design code, there may be some factors etc that you need to apply.
Most countries treat the design of cranes and the associated structures reasonaby seriously.
Regards,
Lyle ■
Re: Buffer Force Calculation In Gantry Cranes
Thank you for your replies.
We plan to use the elastomer bumpers. We have the total energy and as you said the whole energy of crane applies to bumpers. But the problem is the calculation of the reaction force of this impact to the crane. we studied some standards like CMAA and DIN but we couldn't find a clear solution for calculating the applicable force to crane, among these documents. Do you have any suggestions?
the weight of the crane is 35 tons.
Regards,
abdorrahim ■
Re: Buffer Force Calculation In Gantry Cranes
Search Google for "Impulse Force Calculation".
The impulse force is a function of the the time to bring the crane to zero speed. ■
Re: Buffer Force Calculation In Gantry Cranes
The kinetic energy of the crane equals the potential/strain energy of the buffer, give or take hysteresis effects in the rubber. Knowing the buffer spring rate you can determine the maximum compressive force in the rubber. That's your buffer force.
ANSYS is not useful in such cases because the model swap file is too big for large strutures.
As Lyle says the force will also have to be factored to meet the requirements of the various crane standards. Especially so, because your 30m span machine is unlikely to engage the buffers simoultaneously & at 0.6m/s it is quite a flyer.
The Australian Code AS1418 is particularly useful as it incorporates so many of the latest ammendments to other established crane standards. There is also a standard for continuous material handling machinery. ■
John Gateleyjohngateley@hotmail.comwww.the-credible-bulk.com
Re: Buffer Force Calculation In Gantry Cranes
Thank you very much.
we found some references for calculating this force as you recommended. we simulated the whole crane model in ANSYS and analyzed the struvture with the applied load cases according to DIN standards.(the calculated buffer force was 18 tons totally). do you have any comments?
Now I have another question,
the whole expand of the girder according to temprature variations is 2.5cm that can be compensated by the rail tolerance. So we didn't considered a hinged joint for the girder because of the resulting large deformation due to the hinged joint(about 6cm). My question is; if there is any other criteria for designing the cranes with hinged joints?
Best Regards,
Abdorrahim ■
Re: Buffer Force Calculation In Gantry Cranes
Hi,
The energy calcs. should take into account the following
Max design wind acting in the un-favourable directions
The interia of the drive system ie motors at high speed cf wheel speed.
Plus the torque from the drive motors as they decellerate from full speed to stopped
Your machine loads...at 0.6m/sec,
To stop the machine - U have to disappate all of these loads.
I would suggest a hydraulic type buffer rather than an elastomeric one.
The latter is a spring > more deflection > means more reaction forces plus the bufffer will then try to push the machine away after when it has stopped your crane.
For the thermal expansion...why not have free play in your bogey pivots ?
Thanks
James ■
Re: Buffer Force Calculation In Gantry Cranes
Pinned frames are used on high perfomance heavy duty cranes to compensate for rail misalignment, however slight. At your duty level, in anybody's code, thermal expansion is not an issue. Imagine you have a steelworks crane parked over a soaking pit, air conditioning is applied to the girder internals, with a 290 tonnes load underneath; then thermal issues do have relevance.
Your 18 tonnes load is...9 per buffer or 18 on the first side to hit?
Wheel spin at rest would give you about an extra tonne per track; windage should be included in your 6m/min??
In my day we used to curl the rails as well if it was a bog rough outdoor machine i.e. weld a 35-50 mm profiled panel onto the rail head so the beast had to climb as it stopped. Don't forget that you shouldn't be hitting the buffers anyway. ■
John Gateleyjohngateley@hotmail.comwww.the-credible-bulk.com
Re: Buffer Force Calculation In Gantry Cranes
The 18 tonns buffer force applies to both buffers(9 per buffer).
we have concidered the wind load. But what do you mean by wheel spin force?
And about the ramp that you advised before buffers, is it usual in designing the cranes?
Regards,
Abdorrahim ■
Re: Buffer Force Calculation In Gantry Cranes
Originally posted by abdorrahim
The 18 tonns buffer force applies to both buffers(9 per buffer).
we have concidered the wind load. But what do you mean by wheel spin force?
And about the ramp that you advised before buffers, is it usual in designing the cranes?
Regards,
Abdorrahim
How do you guarantee that the crane hits the two buffers evenly?
Surely a more likely scenario is that one buffer is hit first?
Worst case is that only one buffer absorbs all the load?
At what point have you cut the power to the longitudinal drive motor, maybe the drive is still on when you are hitting the buffer(s)? ■
Re: Buffer Force Calculation In Gantry Cranes
Most elastomeric and hlical spring buffers are very non-linear. So, the average deceleration velocity will not apply.
The difference in impact between the two buffers must be evaluated with the potential crabbing of the wheels, the angle of the crab position, its related displacement between buffers and the buffer displacement.
In most instances, the crabbing angle is quite small when considering the play between front and back wheels. Takeing that angle across the crane buffers will also result in a small difference in comparison with the displacement of the buffers.
There may be a difference in load sharing, but, I suspect it will be small. ■
Buffer force calculation in gantry cranes
Dear all
We are engaged in designing a 20 tons double girder gantry crane with a span of 30 meters and height of 10 meters. The traveling speed of crane is 0.6 m/s. We would be pleased if anyone advise us how to calculate the buffer force exerting on the crane. On the other hand we dont know where to apply this load in an FEM software like ANSYS.
Best regards
Abdorrahim ■