Cement transport checks

Posted in: , on 25. Aug. 2007 - 14:13

Hi All,

We are proposing a transport system for

HE cement 3800blaine - 100t/hr

Fly Ash Blend FAB cement - 200tph - 3350 Blaine GP x 75% and +5000 Blaine fly ash 25%

GP cement - 3350 Blaine 140t/h down to 4300 Blaine at 100t/hr

Runs are all in one line to 3 silos/bins

FAb/HE Bins - 107m horiz, 23m vertical and 4 bends (located side by side)

GP silo - located after FAB/HE . total 134m horiz and 49m vertical and 8 bends ie larger/higher silo.

Some have suggested a 300mm line and 2 blowers.

Considering that we have a 250mm line for 150tph for same silos on other mill, this seems like a large step up.

Would appreciate any comments.

Also....running with 2 blowers does not seem a reliable solution. What are peoples experience on the Aerzen compressors cf Fuller compressor

We have limited real estate on exist small silos to fit larger venting filters.

Cheers

James

Re: Cement Transport Checks

Erstellt am 25. Aug. 2007 - 01:58

Dear James,

To comment the proposed solutions and compare the new installations with your existing installation, the following, additional, information is necessary:

1)the compressor type (roots type blower or screw compressor with internal compression)

You mention “blower” (maximum pressure 0.8 to 1.0 bar, which could explain the larger pipe diameter)

2)Feeder system

Double pressure tank system or screw-feeder (FK pump)

3)What is the conveying length (horizontal and vertical) of the existing installation, what is the conveyed product,airflow and pressure?

A compressor should deliver oil free compressed air to a pneumatic conveying system.

The type of compressor (isochoric or adiabatic compressing principle) determines the energy consumption.

The choice of the compressor (Aerzen or Fuller or other) has to be made by yourself, based on quality, price, service and references.

Awaiting the additional information

Best regards

Teus.

Teus

Re: Cement Transport Checks

Erstellt am 25. Aug. 2007 - 02:26

Existing system is same run almost - mill 1.

Feeder is screw pump FL type

Data is

Existing System Data

Existing Pipeline :

250NB Schedule 40

Existing Pneumatic Conveying Equipment

Cement Pump - Fuller

Installed Motor: 150kW (Full Load Current = 340amps)

Blower - FULLER KOVAKO. C-608. S.S.

Right hand discharge

Installed motor: 285kW (Full Load Current = 602amps)

Rated Normal. Pressure - 30 PSIG. - 2900 CFM.

Maximum Pressure - 40 PSIG. - 344 BHP.

Existing Cement Conveying Data

Cement Pumping case for approximately same line :-

108tph GP 3300 Blaine to Silo

Pressure Readings:

At pump discharge - average reading 15psi, variation 15 to 20psi pressure

Pump motor amps - 189 to 211amps

Existing Flyash Blend Conveying Data

Cement/Flyash Blend Data for calibration purposes

100tph GP plus 20tph fly ash = 120tph to FA Bin

Pressure Readings

At pump discharge - variation 14 to 16psi

Blower Motor amps = 436 amps

Pump amps = 187amps

Re: Cement Transport Checks

Erstellt am 25. Aug. 2007 - 02:30

Hi Teus

Blower will be rotary vane or screw type

Feeder is screw pump type

Exist mill pipe run is almost the same as new line - data has been sent in last post.

Cheers

James

Re: Cement Transport Checks

Erstellt am 25. Aug. 2007 - 02:55

Hi James,

Does it mean that on the existing pipeline that;

108 tons/hr cement is achieved on the 143m+43m 10"pipeline at 15 psi

and that ;

120 tons/hr FAB is achieved on the 107m+34m 10"pipeline at 15 psi

Br

Teus

Teus

Re: Cement Transport Checks

Erstellt am 25. Aug. 2007 - 03:43

Hi Teus

Yes it does......but GP is higher and further - but lower rate...surges a bit - last leg is vertical up silo wall.

Cheers

James

Re: Cement Transport Checks

Erstellt am 25. Aug. 2007 - 03:47

Teus,

GP is 134m h and 49m vertical

FAB is 107 horiz and 23m vertical

Cheers

James

Re: Cement Transport Checks

Erstellt am 25. Aug. 2007 - 05:27

Hi james,

I run the various installations through the computer and summarized the results in a word-file, which is attached as a zip-file to this message.

I hope that I understood your description right.

It is recommendable to investigate the performance of the existing installations thoroughly and base the design of the new installations on the derived pneumatic conveying properties of the cement and fly ash blend (I followed that procedure)

Then take into account the necessary air velocities (as low as possible) and pressure limitations of the FK pumps.

(Take in mind that a FK pump consumes approx 0.7 kW/ton conveyed)

Certainly a job for an experienced expert.

success

teus

Attachments

existing installation rj morrish (ZIP)

Teus

Re: Cement Transport Checks

Erstellt am 26. Aug. 2007 - 12:40

Hi Teus

Thanks for that

The offers that our consultant has received is for 300mm line and 2 compressors (unknown capaicty)

Your screen shots show a low velocity at the start - I do not know what a minimum should be. Perhaps this is the reason for 2 compressors being selected....this will then result in higher velocities all round.

Cheers

James

Lyle Brown
(not verified)

Re: Cement Transport Checks

Erstellt am 26. Aug. 2007 - 03:50

James,

If I recall correctly, the blowers at Callide Power Plants Lurgi Bag Filter plant were Aerzen (the unit was a Hurll Nu-Way effort).

As the plant should have been operational for a few years now maybe they could provide some feedback for you?

Don’t know about Fuller.

Regards,

Lyle

Re: Cement Transport Checks

Erstellt am 26. Aug. 2007 - 08:52

Thanks Lyle,

I will give them a call.

The other supplier claims that their compressor to be very robust but we have had some unexpected failures that have occured at the wrong time and led a few $$$ lost. One was a cracked bore thru the water jacket. I am not so sure of their claim

Cheers

James

Re: Cement Transport Checks

Erstellt am 26. Aug. 2007 - 09:02

Hi James,

When using a FK-pump system, the number of compressors is irrelevant for the system..

Or it must be for backup purposes. And even then it is easy to rent an oil filled, mobile screw compressor as used on a building site.

When using a double kettle system, one compressor could deliver air to the tanks and the other serves as a booster.

The minimum air velocity at a certain location in the pipeline should be 1.5 to 2 times the local suspension velocity.

As the air density in the beginning of the pipeline is high, due to the higher pressure, the local air velocity can be lower. The expansion of the convey air along the pipe line automatically increases the air velocity.

To prevent a too high air velocity (with the related too high energy losses) the pipeline diameter is stepped up.(not always done)

The consultant should make clear how the system, he offers, is designed.

Often, a consultant keeps that for himself for commercial reasons (you could compare with competitors and thereby revealing knowledge) but you will find out anyway when the system is built, although it might be too late then.

I have experience with Aerzen oil free screw compressors with internal compression and vane compressors.

The Aerzen compressors are to prefer over vane compressors as the latter are not oil free and more vulnerable to dirt.

An Aerzen compressor in pneumatic conveying is just a compressor block with a drive motor. (no auxiliary equipment around it)

Take care

teus

Teus