Belt Wear And Lagging Lagging
Don't shoot the messenger:
How old is the belt?
Your problem is not global its local, when was the last time the
belt was spliced? the belt fabric may be stretched.
Do you have a dutch man cut away edge on both sides of the
belt splices to allow for easier transition of the conveyor belt over
the pulleys?
Are the take up pulleys square in relation to the belt?
Are you using a training idler for every tenth idler -both
troughing and return.
Are the belts tracking properly? as in are the head pulleys true/square/level in their mounting?
Do you have lagging on the gravity take up pullies?
I would lean towards belt fabric stretching/failure if every thing else is in proper alignment. conveyor belts are no different than water or electricity they are lazy- and will do what they want unless the are restrained/controlled. ■
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Hi,
Uneven wear such as this is caused by poor pulley alignment and is usually starts with the design of the gravity take up. Over time as problems occur with the take up (usually manifested by belt tracking problems that are very hard to rectify) operators start "correcting" the tracking by adjusting the alignment of other pulleys (usually low tension ones). These out of aligned pulleys will be worn unevenly by the belt as the tension across the face will not be even.
Col Benjamin
Gulf Conveyor Systems P/L ■
Re: Conveyor Problems
Thank you for your input...
to answer some of your questions
Yes all our splices have 'dutchmen'
No we don't use training idlers - but belt tracking hasn't been a big problem
Pulleys were checked for squareness but they wouldn't be out of square on all conveyors so I don't think this is the problem
Belts/conveyors differ in age - some new some older
takeup pulleys are lagged
The reason I said I think it is a global flaw is because it is happening on several conveyors and the same wear pattern. The other thing is these pulleys are seeing the dirty side of the belt and our material is extra abrasive.
Thanks again for all the help.
Chris K. ■
Re: Belt Wear And Lagging Lagging
Originally posted by lzaharis
Do you have a dutch man cut away edge on both sides of the belt splices to allow for easier transition of the conveyor belt over the pulleys?
I'm not familiar with the term "Dutch man", could you explain that to me. ■
Conveyor Mystery Solved
Originally posted by crkranz
Thank you for your input...
to answer some of your questions
Yes all our splices have 'dutchmen'
No we don't use training idlers - but belt tracking hasn't been a big problem
Pulleys were checked for squareness but they wouldn't be out of square on all conveyors so I don't think this is the problem
Belts/conveyors differ in age - some new some older
takeup pulleys are lagged
The reason I said I think it is a global flaw is because it is happening on several conveyors and the same wear pattern. The other thing is these pulleys are seeing the dirty side of the belt and our material is extra abrasive.
Thanks again for all the help.
Chris K.
I think you willl find that since the product dust, waste, crap, abrasive etc.
1. YOU DO NOT HAVE A PLOW TO PUSH DUST OFF THE BOTTOM SIDE OF THE BELT AT THE TAIL PULLEY AND IT RIDES ALL THE WAY UP TO THE DRIVE UNIT AND THE FINES ARE WHAT IS WEARING THE PULLEYS.
(A) DOES YOUR TAIL PULLEY HAVE A SELF CLEANING BEATER PULLEY? If not get one as your product is the culprit.
(b) do you use silicone caulk to seal the splices? you should if you are not already doing so.
2. IF YOU DO HAVE A CLEANING PLOW ON THE BOTTOM OF THE
BELT BEFORE IT MOVES INTO THE TAIL PULLEY IT DOES NOT HAVE
ENOUGH TENSION OR THE PLASTIC PLOW IS WORN OUT ■
Re: Re: Belt Wear And Lagging Lagging
Originally posted by minesite
I'm not familiar with the term "Dutch man", could you explain that to me.
Greetings,
A belt dutchman is a triangle wedge cut away from the mechanical splice line at the edge of the belt to allow for easier transition of the belt over the drive, head, take up and tail pulleys.
The dutchman reduces tension on the mechanical splice or splices and increase the mechanical splices life, and it reduces edge pulling of the conveyor belt splice and in the process eliminates weakening the splice from one side to the other eventually ending splice failure if not found before hand. ■
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Hello Chris..
It would appear, quite logically, that the lagging is wearing on the pulleys which operate on the dirty side of the belt.
The more the dirt, the more the wear, therefore check that the scrapers are not taking off the dirt on one side of the belt more than the other.
Regards
LSL Tekpro ■
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Dear Sir,
as Mr. Spriggs explained, I see the same reason for the wear of pulley lagging, you described. It would be interesting to know what type of (rubber) lagging you use (hardness, profiled or flat, crowning or plain)? ■
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I agree with the above assessments. I will add:
1. most often the one sided wear results from added shear stress or added abrasion which can come from differential pulley geometry, bad pulley alignment, or contaminants as noted earlier.
2. sometimes the added shear stress comes from the method of wrapping the lagging before autoclaving curing the lagging (hot vulcanizing) The wrap is applied in a spiral pattern to maintain pressure of lagging to pulley steel. It can lead to producing a lead screw action between belt and pulley. Pulley wants to misalign the belt, operator wants to align by other means such as restraints or misaligning pulley, which leads to unacceptable shear stress and premature failure of one lagging side. ■
Head Pulley
I have several head pulley's that have significant wear on one end and half the wear on the other end. To best discribe the wear it is on the circumference on each end and the pattern looks like someone tried to carve smiles into the lagging every 3-4 inches. The cuts and chunks missing are approx 6" long and 3/4" deep. The lines look alot like the layers of earth when it's cut away. Can anyone help with this? ■
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Head pulley wear on the edges may be caused by the transition geometry from trough rolls to flat head pulley.
Please post or email a sketch of idler transition geometry and photos of the lagging damage? ■
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Larry Nordell is correct, it is almost certainly a transition problem. You can make your own assessment by looking at how the belt is sitting on the last 4-5 rollers into the head pulley. When the belt is unloaded there will be a substantial gap between the belt and the centre roller. Your task is to re-align the idlers such that the belt evenly touches both the wing and centre rolls on all 5 of these rollers and this is done by packing of the idlers and ensuring the trough angle is slowly decreased through this section. This is a very common installation problem.
Cheers
Colin Benjamin
Gulf Conveyor Systems P/L ■
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I would add a couple of points to Colin's remarks:
1. The type or geometry of the transition may vary such as in-line vs. elevated head/tail pulleys. Some transitions are more belt friendly when the idler packing is optimized.
2. Some transitions can be too short and thereby apply excessive pressure when the idler packing is optimized. A longer transition is always more gentle on the belt.
3. Restating the wrapping and autoclave curing of the lagging, without secondary grinding, can cause the pulley lagging to push the belt toward one side. The sideways thrust can be quite strong and requires restraints to keep the belt on the pulley. ■
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Yet another point comes to mind:
Belt cover damage can occur in the inflection point between wing and center rollers depending on idler junction pressures and subsequent shear stress and squirming of the bottom cover.
Belt covers can be damaged near the outer edges from excessive vibration.
Belt covers can be damaged near one outer edge from pipe conveyor bottom strand riding upside down.
All these point lead to variations across the belt's neutral axis thereby can set up a damaging shear stress gradient across the pulley lagging. ■
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To add to the already good comments, I will add a comment that baffled many competent people looking after conveyors. The locations of a few conveyors that had single side wear in lagging and also it was eventually confirmed that idler rolls were also suffering predominantly on the same side was no one thought to take into account the fact that the conveyor orientation was mainly East / West. The sun on the Northern side in conjunction with the predominantly Trade Winds from the South East was creating a 'Hotter and Softer' belting pliability on the Northern side so the belt in the southern side was tighter tensioned and the lagging was the first thing to wear down to the steel pulley surface leaving a circumference lagging 'Collar' on the South side outter edge of the pulleys. The wear eventually had the idler rolls with distinct grooves about 60 to 100 mm from the outer edge of the wing roll from the belt edge contact. Wind guards and shading helped control the issues. Off-Centre loading can also cause some of the issues described. This is just another thing that should be considered when designing a conveyor system. ■
Lagging Wear
Chris,
There is a common problem on pulleys in contact with the dirty side of the worn belt, particularly in hard rock mining where top covers are quite thick. When the worn dished shape of the belt comes into contact with the snub or bend pulleys there will be more top cover rubber at the belts edges and less in the centre resulting in differential radii to the belts tensile member. The thicker top cover at the edges of the belt increases the tension in the edges of the belt and in the centre of the belt the tension is much lower. Due to the different path lengths for the tensile member around the pulley, something has to slip. The easiest place for the belt to slip is where the pressure is lowest i.e. in the centre and this is where the pulley lagging wear is normally observed QED. I am not sure why the lagging would wear on one side unless the wear pattern on the belt is biased to one side due to off-centre loading in the transfer chute.
The recommended solution to this problem is to use smooth ceramic tiles on these bend pulleys. If you get material build up on the ceramic tiles, you could try urethane lagging.
Regards,
David Beckley
Conveyor Design Consultantss of WA
Perth
Western Australia ■
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Hi Dave,
I do not agree with "solving" this problem by using ceramic lagging. All you have done is transfer the problem to the belt, i.e. accelerated belt wear. It is about identifying the root cause and addressing this. If lagging wear is an issue due to poor contact with the dirty side of the belt then a good starting point is making sure the belt is clean. Generally a worn belt will not cause serious lagging wear with snub or low tension pulleys as the point of highest pressure will dictate the pulley rotation speed i.e. the edges with the centre not coming into contact. If however there is a transition problem or similar that sees the belt no longer "flat" then, yes lagging wear occurs, especially with steel cord belts.
Cheers
Col Benjamin
Gulf Conveyor Systems Pty Ltd ■
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I have seen uneven wear on pulleys which was caused by a combination of a bit of pulley misalignment (presumably as an attempt to train the belt), combined with a bit of pulley edge crowning.
This gave one edge all the training work to do, thus giving uneven wear.
Cheers
LSL Tekpro ■
Pulley Lagging Wear
Hi Colin,
I think we will just have to agree to dissagree; the lagging wear does not occur when the belt is new and will occur as the belt wears in the centre even if the belt cleaning is excellent. It is the amount of top cover wear that causes the lagging wear and the worn lagging just adds to the problem by accelerating the wear and overstressing the edges of the belt. I have measured 16 mm distortion across a steel cord belt from the edge of the belt to the centre as the worn belt approached a high tension bend pulley. Maintenance people cant live with the wear that occurs on rubber lagging on these pulleys and the high edge tension in the belt at high tension bend pulleys can and does lead to splice failures. I had one client that claimed that on one conveyor that had a high tension bend pulley, each time the top cover wear reached 7mm, the splice started to fail!
The only real solution to this problem is to remove the excess top cover rubber at the edges of the belt as the centre wears so that the top suface is basically flat at all times. I have even thought of having blocks of basalt sitting on the top cover at the tail pulley to progressively wear the belt down at the edges.
Regards,
Dave Beckley. ■
Conveyor problems
Has anyone seen this problem?
On several of our vert. gravity take-up conveyors we are having problems with uneven wear on our pulleys. The head and tail pulleys are fine but the snubber pulley near the head drive and the 'bend' pulleys for the gravity weight will wear excessively on one side. It will completely wear off the lagging on one side and the other side will be like new.
Since this is happening on several conveyors I believe we have a 'global' design flaw.
Our typical conveyors are...
36" belt
35 degree idlers
100-300ft long
10-15 degree incline
350fpm
conveying crushed rock
Any ideas are most appreciated.
Thanks
Chris K. ■