Pipe Conveyor

Posted in: , on 14. Sep. 2005 - 07:33

We have installed pipe conveyor of 250mm dia for conveying of finished cement to silo. The angle of conveying is 10.5 degrees. we are facing a problem of material rollback and flooding the feed end and spillage. All possible speed ranges have been tried from 1.5 m/sec to 4.5m/sec, but the problem remains. The bulk density of aerated cement at feed end is 0.9 . The blaine of cement is 3500.

Any solutions ?

Re: Pipe Conveyor

Erstellt am 14. Sep. 2005 - 07:07

Do you believe the conveyor would transport up 10 degrees if the material was dearated? Have you allowed the conveyor to stop, then wait for a likely dearation time, say 5 minutes, and then soft start to see if it will then transport up the incline?

If this works, then a possible solution is a non-aerating transfer chute.

Need help?

Lawrence Nordell Conveyor Dynamics, Inc. website, email & phone contacts: www.conveyor-dynamics.com nordell@conveyor-dynamics.com phone: USA 360-671-2200 fax: USA 360-671-8450

Re: Pipe Conveyor

Erstellt am 14. Sep. 2005 - 07:25

Will you share the conveyor geometry and operating particulars?

Are you loading on an incline of 10.5 degrees?

What is the tonnage? My guess is about 330 t/h if running at 3 m/s or about 110 t/h for each multiple of 1 m/s.

Can you try a very slow speed (~0.5 m/s) to give the product time to settle as an experiment in de-aeration?

Lawrence Nordell Conveyor Dynamics, Inc. website, email & phone contacts: www.conveyor-dynamics.com nordell@conveyor-dynamics.com phone: USA 360-671-2200 fax: USA 360-671-8450

Pipe Conveyor

Erstellt am 14. Sep. 2005 - 07:36

DEAR Anil m

When you are loading cement particularly when hot on belt or pipe conveyor angle of inclination at loading point shuld not be more than 5 degree.

At loading point pipe conveyor is similar to conventional conveyor. We have installed many conveyors in cement plants and found if angle of inclination at loading point more than 5 degree cement fludises/dearated

In case your angle of inclination is 10 degree at loading point you have to correct it

for cement conveying you have to keep speed betweem 1 -1.5 m/sec

A R SINGH

A R SINGH DIRECTOR MODTECH MATERIAL HANDLING PROJECTS PVT LTD PLOT NO.325,SECTOR-24 FARIDABAD,HARYANA, INDIA

Re: Pipe Conveyor

Erstellt am 15. Sep. 2005 - 02:23

Dear Sir,

Low speed would help.Probabally, entrapped air in fluidised cement may be cousing the blockage and back flow. Low speed would help in deairating the cement. Please let us know the capacity and length of conveyor for more analysing.

a.k.dewan

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Pipe Conveyor

Erstellt am 15. Sep. 2005 - 09:37

Are you saying the finished cement must feed uphill at 7-10 degrees. If so, we can not convey this by means of vib conveyor.

John Zarycki........

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Pipe Conveyor

Erstellt am 22. Sep. 2005 - 04:05

Dear Powder / Bulk Portal,

with reference to the Pipe Conveyor where the aerated fresh cement is rolling back, it has to be distinguished if this happened at the charging area and / or along the Pipe Conveyor System itself.

The slope angle of 10.5 degree is too high. Please note that for Pipe Conveyor type Koch, Krupp, which have a round typical cross section with a certain belt overlapping the max. permissable slope is the conventional one + 50 % for eaxample max 6 degree conventional,max 9 degree Pipe Conveyor.

However the installation seems to be in place and I suggest to modify the charging area. The Pipe conveyor charging area shoud be horizontal or better negative oriented e.g. -2 degree. Loose cement flows directly into the pipe and have no chance to roll back. Along the closed conveyor no action possible. Try to increase the filling rate if possible to 90 % as such the cement is compacted during the belt transmission ( closing). Hereby the Pipe Conveyor speed should be reduced.

Please keep in mind The Pipe Conveyor is at the charging and discharging the same as the conventional conveyor.

Hope to have provide some help.

Best regards and good luck from Malaysia,

Helmar Sarritzu

Re: Pipe Conveyor

Erstellt am 23. Sep. 2005 - 05:02

Anim:

You asked a question and sought assistance. Your question could not be answered as shown by the many questions put to you. As a courtesy, either claim you have been helped and need no further assistance, or provide the answers to those who wish to assist.

Questions and answers in this forum do help many more than the responding individuals.

Hope you find what you seek.

Lawrence Nordell Conveyor Dynamics, Inc. website, email & phone contacts: www.conveyor-dynamics.com nordell@conveyor-dynamics.com phone: USA 360-671-2200 fax: USA 360-671-8450

Run-Back Of Cement

Erstellt am 26. Sep. 2005 - 10:23

It is common practice to aid the discharge of cement by means of aeration, transport via air slides and free fall down steep chute, but these practices invariably presents the material at the point of delivery in a highly dilated and virtually fluid condition. To get the cement to pass up an inclined conveyor without running back it is essential to load the material in a settled condition. It is usually best to do this in a feed hopper of mass flow extraction that has sufficient surface area and depth to enable the back flow of gas to well exceed the flow velocity at any point and provide the residence time for excess air to escape from the voids. Such a hopper requires expert design to generate a relatively even draw-down profile over an extended length of belt contact and almost certainly means priming the system with a controlled feed into the hopper, as cement in a fluidised state will just flush away. The conveyor then must have a variable drive to act as a controlled rate feeder that matches the input in order to maintain the working depth of cement in the hopper. The hopper will probably need to be fitted with a de-aeration frame if it is not of sufficient cross section to achieve natural de-aeration within the space available. I will be presenting a paper at Bulk Asia 2005 in Mumbia in Nov, that includes a typical hopper design of this type. Meanwhile, if you care to send details of the current arrangement to lyn@ajax.co.uk I will be pleased to review the situation.

Pipe Conveyor For Handling Cement

Erstellt am 26. Sep. 2005 - 12:25

Dear sir

In this case problem is of different nature cement is loaded on conveyor having 10.5 degree inlination and running at higher speed.

I have seen during recent years pipe mnufactured have supplied pipe conveyors for handling cementin 2/3 plants Without reviewing hot cement properties.

In such cases hot Cement is loaded on conveyor having more than 10 degree inclination at tail end .

under such condition conveyors are not giving desired capacity

A R SINGH

A R SINGH DIRECTOR MODTECH MATERIAL HANDLING PROJECTS PVT LTD PLOT NO.325,SECTOR-24 FARIDABAD,HARYANA, INDIA

Cement

Erstellt am 26. Sep. 2005 - 01:06

OK,

My 2 bobs worth

Speed needs to be less than 1.5m/sec. I have never heard of a belt at 4.5m/sec for finished cement!!!

Loading Angle should be level.

Install a de-aeration screw just before the feed chute/spoon. These forces the cement over a "weir"

Use a forward inclined feeding spoon.

Let the belt/pipe sag as much as possible just after the loading zone to rock the cement and make it settle ie remove support idlers or increase spacing. Do this in the horizontal section.

Cheers

James

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Problems With Your Pipe Conveyor

Erstellt am 19. Oct. 2005 - 08:46

Dear Sir,

we will like to help you finding a good solution for your Pipe Conveyor as well as to discuss it openly in this Forum.

If you are interested in our comments please contact us via mail:

L.Paul@kochtrans.at

best regards,

L.Paul, Pipe Conveyor Division

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Re: Pipe Conveyor

Erstellt am 20. Oct. 2005 - 10:51

Hi.

Have U found a fix for your problem and what did U do to get there.

Thanks

James