Dense Phase System energy consuming question: possible or not?

Posted in: , on 1. Sep. 2005 - 00:08

Considering the following Dense Phase System condiction:

Compressed air pipe size: 1-inch (two of them) (estimated value)

compressed air pressure: 30psig

According to calculation: the air flow rate is 774CFM, and the consuming energy is 207-hp

However, the plant only has a 100-hp air compressor, and 600gallons air tank. Therefore, is it possible for this 100-hp air compressor to suppor a 207-hp Dense Phase System?

If it's impossible, what is wrong with the estimated compressed air pipe size? And how big can the compressed air pipe size to be?

Can some one please answer my question?

Thanks a lot!

Zan. W.

Compressor Woes

Erstellt am 5. Sep. 2005 - 03:38

You have not told us the size of the piping conveying your product, what it is you are conveying, or the layout of your system!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!, please tell us more. what formula are you utilizing?

Voltage, amperage and phase are also needed.

Please post it here.

The most efficient system is what is done in a linear fashion with no bends, curves or restrictions hence lower power requirements

but it all depends on what your system looks like.

Also you have to remember that compressed air is lazy just like electricity and water and it will escape whenever possible, compressed air is a "huge" provider of usable power and you need to give us more information.

The storage tank you are questioning has a huge storage capacity of potential usable energy and and useable energy storage that would make up for having a smaller compressor hence the lower pressure. Compressed air also loses energy due

to heat from movement of the compressed air. you may need a radiator heat exchanger on the delivery side-the denser and cooler the airflow the greater the power delivered to the end point.

If the storage system has a regulator and check valves to allow metered pressure and energy delivery so much the better.

Check for leaks using soapy water at all air line connections and visible weldments that control and deliver air flow.

My big question is why is it you are not using a blower for the same job??????

Before you do anything else change the oil air separator if the air compressor is so equiped. drain the air out of the entire system and open the drain plug or valve on the bottom of the tank to make sure all the water is out of the air tank-let it sit over night to allow all the water to drain out-if no water comes out you have a big job on your hands cleaning out the tank- if there is a manway in the tank it will make cleaning easier.

Water in a compressed air tank will affect system performance and increase damage to components.

I would check the amperage of the system under load and then unloaded or vice versa and determine if the compressor motor is failing replace it.

I can not emphasize this enough you have to work safely around compresssed air as it can cause serious and possibly fatal injuries

due to punture injuries to the skin.

LOCK OUT AND TAG OUT ALL ELECTRICAL SWITCHES AND LOCK OUT ALL AIR VALVES BEFORE WORKING ON THE SYSTEM. LASTLY BE SURE THE AIR SYSTEM IS DRAINED OF COMPRESSED AIR BEFORE WORKING ON THE COMPRESSED AIR COMPONENTS!!!!!!!

The three corners of the safety triangle are AWARE, ALERT AND ALIVE.

Re: Dense Phase System Energy Consuming Question: Possible Or N…

Erstellt am 5. Sep. 2005 - 01:16

I use a "First Approximation" equation to get an approximate idea of compressor power requirements. It is on page 81 of my "Handbook of Pneumatic Conveying Engineering" published last year by Marcel Dekker. It is: Power = 0.128 V ln(p2/p1). So if your air flow (V) is 774 cfm and your delivery pressure, p2 is 30 psig (45 psia) my calculation gives a compressor power requirement of about 108 hp.

David Mills

Re: Compressor Woes

Erstellt am 5. Sep. 2005 - 09:17

The size of the piping conveying of the product is: 4-inch

Thank you for all your response. Actually, I am working on a project to replace the current Dense Phase Conveying System to a Dilute Phase Conveying for the cement product.

I think the calculation that I got: ¡§the air flow rate is 774CFM, and the consuming energy is 207-hp¡¨ is incorrect because I consider the compressed air orifice to be chocked, and use the same way as AIR LEAK calculation.

But right now, I reconsider the calculation by using the Mach Number, and have the air flow rate of 70 CFM. According to this value for compressed air, I am looking for the air flow rate for the replacing blower. At this point, I need the ¡§air to material ratio¡¨ for both of the compressed air and blower air. i.e., in certain CFM of air, how much lbm/h of cement can it convey?

Therefore, do you know the ¡§air to material ratio¡¨ of cement for both of the compressed air and blower air? And also, what literature can I find referring to this information?

Thanks for your help!

Zan. W.

Re: Dr David Mills

Erstellt am 5. Sep. 2005 - 10:15

Originally posted by Dr David Mills

I use a "First Approximation" equation to get an approximate idea of compressor power requirements. It is on page 81 of my "Handbook of Pneumatic Conveying Engineering" published last year by Marcel Dekker. It is: Power = 0.128 V ln(p2/p1). So if your air flow (V) is 774 cfm and your delivery pressure, p2 is 30 psig (45 psia) my calculation gives a compressor power requirement of about 108 hp.

Thank you for all your response.

I look at your "Handbook of Pneumatic Conveying Engineering" of page 81 and 82. And I have some questions regarding to the Figure 3.10: (1) you mention that ¡§air pressures of up to 100lbf/in^2 gauge are considered in Figure 3.10 relates to high pressure systems¡K¡¨ So does it mean the air pressure of a Dense Phase conveying system can be up to 100-psig? And what is the pressure limit from the air compressor? (2) for Dilute Phase conveying with a blower that has a line pressure less than 5-psig, can I use the same equation for calculation the consuming energy?

Also, I am looking for the air flow rate for the replacing blower. At this point, for the SAME Free Air Flow Rate, what is the Material Flow Rates for Dense Phase(w/ compressed air) and Dilute Phase (w/ a blower) conveying system (for cement). For example, I found that in your book "Handbook of Pneumatic Conveying Engineering," on page 394, Figure 13.12(of HIGH Pressure Conveying), the Material Flow Rate for 4-inch bore pipeline , at 200 CFM and 30-lbf/in^2, is approximately 120-lb/hx1000. However, on page 392, Figure 13.9 (of LOW Pressure Conveying), it does mention the corresponding bore pipeline size, so what would be the Material Flow Rate for 4-inch bore pipeline , at 200 CFM and 30-lbf/in^2?

Thanks for your help!

Zan. W.

Air Compressibility Influence

Erstellt am 6. Sep. 2005 - 12:16

Figure13.12 shows that 120,000 lb/h of barite can be conveyed through the 4 in bore, 165 ft long pipeline with 200 cfm of air at 30 psig. The solids loading ratio is about 130 and the conveying line inlet air velocity will be about 800 ft/min (see equation on page 157). This is dense phase conveying. Figure 13.9 relates to the dilute phase conveying of barite through a 2 inch bore 110 ft long pipeline. Pressures only go up to 8 psig and this is entirely dilute phase conveying, with minimum values of conveying line inlet air velocity of about 2500 ft/min. So for dilute phase conveying you are going to need about three times the air flow rate. The influence of solids loading ratio on conveying line inlet air velocity for cement, for example, is shown on page 120.

Figure 3.10 relates to a screw compressor. You can use air at any pressure for dilute or dense phase conveying but if your reception point is at atmospheric pressure, 100 psig is typically the maximum because of the air expansion problems and the need to step the pipeline (see chapter 9). With your dense phase system at 30 psig and 800 ft/min, stepping the pipeline is not essential, particularly if you need to purge the line quickly. For a dilute phase system at 30 psig and 2400 ft/min a stepped pipeline would be recommended.

David Mills

Re: Air Compressibility Influence

Erstellt am 11. Sep. 2005 - 09:55

Originally posted by Dr David Mills

So for dilute phase conveying you are going to need about three times the air flow rate.

Thanks a lot for your reply. It really helps me a lot. Also, I want to quote the above sentence to my report. Could you tell me the reference sourece of this sentence? Is it from a chapter of your "Handbook of Pneumatic Conveying Engineering" or from your other article? Thank you.

Zan. W.

Quotation

Erstellt am 12. Sep. 2005 - 11:55

The ratio of air flow rates will depend very much on the two conveying systems being compared. For your case it is just a matter of calculating the conveying line inlet air velocities for the two cases. You will see direct comparisons presented in my book in Figures 10 and 17 to 19 and that is just in Chapter 4. In Chapter 7 I compare specific energies, which is probably more important, and these can easily vary by as much as ten to one between dilute and dense phase conveying.

David Mills

Re: Quotation

Erstellt am 13. Sep. 2005 - 07:33

Originally posted by Dr David Mills

The ratio of air flow rates will depend very much on the two conveying systems being compared. ...

I really thank you for your help and appreciate your kindness! I will read the chapters that you told me, and I think the book you wrote is knowledgeable about the pneumatic conveying system.

Zan. W.