Maximum Product to Air ratios

rosswmc
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Posted in: , on 1. Dec. 2004 - 23:09

I am looking for a paper on how to determine the maximum possible prodct to air ratios in dilute phase conveying. I am conveying a low density Granular food product and need to determine the maximum possible ratio in a 6 inch sch 10 conveying line.

Bosentang
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Re: Maximum Product To Air Ratios

Erstellt am 2. Dec. 2004 - 08:38

The rule of thumb for dilute phase systems is 10:1 as a maximum. However, this can be less or more depending on your system layout.

For example, long runs might require a lower material to air ratio, while shorter runs might accept a higher material to air ratio. Also, if you have elbows that are configured back to back or with only a short straight distance in between this might require a lower material to air ratio.

We would be happy to look at your system and provide some input.

You can contact us at the email address listed below.

Dennis Hauch - Freeport, TX, USA
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Solids Loading

Erstellt am 3. Dec. 2004 - 01:23

The maximum solids loading is the summary result of a number of variables simultaneously at work.

You can determine the maximum solids loading by plotting pressure against conveying velocity for your system. By incrementally reducing the conveying velocity you can find the point of minimum conveying pressure for a given solids conveying rate. It is at this point that the solids loading is at its highest.

Dennis Hauch

Re: Maximum Product To Air Ratios

Erstellt am 3. Dec. 2004 - 02:56

The determination of the maximum product to air ratio or phase density can be a complex undertaking as many factors and variables are involved.

It is generally accepted that a 10:1 ratio of mass product flow to mass airflow should be the maximum safe value. There are however many examples where higher phase densities have occurred. These value have been determined from historical data or by data collected during conveying trials.

I trust that the information provided will be of some interest, if I can be of further assistance then please contact me.

Regards

John Hughes Lloyd

JHL Consultants Ltd.

rosswmc
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Re: Maximum Product To Air Ratios

Erstellt am 3. Dec. 2004 - 05:05

Thanks for the replies

I have some more information.

The conveying system is 300 Horz, 40 vert, 4 elbows

Material is Dog Food kibble. ( Finished pet food) 25 lbs/ft3

System capacity 70000 lbs/hr

Conveying Pressure Calculates to 10.5 psig

Pickup velocity 2900 ft/min terminal velocity approx 4500 ft/min

Ratio Required is Approx 16 to 1

Can anyone prove that this system will work or absolutely won't work ?

Thanks

Ross

Pierre Labourt-Ibarre, France
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Rosswmc Pneumatic Conveying

Erstellt am 3. Dec. 2004 - 06:18

Sir,

the conveying has to satisfy a kind of compromise between the solids throughtput, the air flow and the pressure drop.

So quite difficult to say that there is a maximum in pressure drop in dilute conveying for a given layout.

I would be much more concerned by not attriting the pet food and consequently be safe , gentle on the air velocity.

I may even try to add you may optimize the layout.

Best Regards,

Pierre

Re: Maximum Product To Air Ratios

Erstellt am 4. Dec. 2004 - 12:17

If you looking for a paper, I would suggest the book written by Klinzing, Rizk, and Leung. In this book, you will find the information you need on page 204, Section 6.2.7. Basically, what is required for high solids to gas ratios is higher gas flow (or Froude Number) so that voidage in the solids is maintained and the line does not plug up.

In your case, a ratio of 16 will be acceptable provided you have sufficient gas flow and gas pressure. We can design this system for you if you need help.

Regards,

A. T. Agarwal

Consulting Engineer

Pneumatic Conveying Services LLC

polypcc@aol.com

rosswmc
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Re: Maximum Product To Air Ratios

Erstellt am 4. Dec. 2004 - 09:28

Mr Agarwal

If I increase the Froude Number do I not decrease the Product to air Ratio? It seems that there must be a point where the Ratio is at a Maximum. How do I find this Maximum?

Ross

Re: Maximum Product To Air Ratios

Erstellt am 8. Dec. 2004 - 10:35

Ross,

one question, many answers. Read the book also mentioned by Mr. Agarwal. It has helped me as well.

Good luck.

Dirk, Abbott, The Netherlands.

rosswmc
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Reply To Suggestion On Klinzing Book

Erstellt am 19. Dec. 2004 - 03:37

Sorry It took me so long to reply

Away to Russia

I have read Dr. Klinzing book and Know Dr. Klinzing, I have hired a couple of his students over the years.

I still can not find a practical limit to the equations that fits what is found in the test lab or in the field.

Anyone ever tried to test the equations limits??

Ross