Bulk Storage Terminals
Currently I am investigating details of dry bulk stockyard storing equipment. I aim to gather detailed information and to make an overview of available stackers, reclaimers and stacker/reclaimers.
I will be very pleased if you bulk-online forum users are able to help me to get some details of your machines.
Is it maybe possible to get some more details (than publised on the manufacture's websites) of for example some existing stackers, some existing reclaimers and some existing stacker/reclaimers? I am interested in the detailed characteristics (e.g. brochures) concerning:
· Capacity
Commodity dependent and totally dependent on out bound shipping capacity, storage at end use and availability of shipping.
· Boom length
totally dependent on the owners available land area and pocket book, stock pile design, and material stored.
· Rail gauge
storage depot dependent
You have to clarify this as many stock piles are railcar fed and reclaimed
· Installed power
depends on available KW and machinery demands
· Travel length
dependent upon the available land area and size of desired stock pile
· Pile shape and pile height
Not a one size fits all animal as if you expect to have dry bulk storage yuo either use a rubber tired loader for reclaim or have draw points under the floor of the stock pile building
· Belt width and belt speed
same as above
· The number of active stackers worldwide
some stock piles have no use for stationary machinery- dozers only
· Manning per stacker per shift
site and stacker type dependent
· Investment costs
PV of the various dollars, The Rand, Mark, Rupee, Yuan, Yen, Lira, Peso
not including interest and actual installation cost incurred
· Maintenance costs (Estimated)
totally site and machinery type dependent
· Value of the spare parts depot (Estimated)
same as above
I will be very pleased if you are able to help me.
Thank you in advance.
Oh boy,
Dry bulk stock piles tells me you want to tarp or have tee pees or dome storage.
Its a case of doing one of two things and hoping it works, either doing a lot of traveling and asking questions of the stock pile terminal operators, and only if they allow you on the property, as you would be considered a commercial threat to their business, and or any potential business, as they do not know who you are or who you work for or:
Simply calling the manufacturers of this equipment, being up front with them about what you are attempting to do, and they may not want to talk with you anyway for the same reasons.
the latter being much more cost effective and less time consuming
Spending time with Mssrs. Lyn Bates and Lawrence Nordell here on the forum
will be more productive for you for sure. ■
Re: Details On Stacker / Reclaimers Needed
Thank you for your reply. The research is for my master thesis for the Technical University, Delft (Holland). The detailed information will not been publiced in detail. The intent is to make an overview of at least 50 available stackers, 50 reclaimers and stacker/reclaimers. Then it certain becomes clear that all the technical data depends on the users goal.
I allready emailed a lot of manufactures (FAM, Sandvik, Krupp, Ameco, L&T, Schade, Takraf etc) to get and retrieve the information, but indeed without the intended succes. The technical details seem to be confidential for some.
I am now trying to make appointments with users of stockyard equipment (like EMO, EBS and Tata Steel (corus) all in Holland) to get the information of them.
I was hoping some bulk-online users are also suppliers or users of these kind of machines, so they can provide the information of their machines to me too. It would be very helpfull to determine some guidelines for terminal design. ■
Re: Details On Stacker / Reclaimers Needed
Hi,
just look at the websites, most of the machine manufacturers provide the data officially:
http://www.krupprobins.com/References/references.html
http://www.fam.de/english/Products/S...ers/index.html
http://www.smc.sandvik.com/sandvik/0...3FOpenDocument
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Re: Details On Stacker / Reclaimers Needed
Thank you for the links. The information is only limited to capacity and boom length. I am also interested in investment costs, maintenance cost and installed power. Could someone give me some indication about investment and maintenance costs of - a stacker - a reclaimer and - a stacker/reclaimer.
Investment, is it €5 mln, €10mln or €50mln? And maintenance, is it €5.000/year, €10.000 or €100.000/year?
Thnx! ■
Stacker Reclaimers
John this is one of those secondary questions that requires
asking permission of a system owner or a consultant within
the business to open his operating expense account to you for
your examination.
You will be better served by contacting Krupp, Rahco, and the others
directly as the owners of theses machines will not willingly offer this
information to you as it is part of their income and expense accounting.
Inquiring of a government entity that operates a harbour stockpile operation
as a normal course of business in owning and operating a port may be a faster
approach depending on your time constraints.
The isssues for you to examine are;
1. Commodity type.
2. Type of operating system.
3. Normal operating hours of one or more machines and the type of system invovlved.
4. The depreciation schedule maintained per required national or international accounting
standards which will govern the depreciation expense account.
5. Labor costs per hour to maintain a maintenance department, stores department around the
clock or per operating hours of operation of the stock pile.
6. Overhead costs related to the stockpile side of the sytem alone, if and only if the overhead
costs are not determined for the entire operating arm.
7. Spare parts inventory cost which includes the recommended stocking level of spares per
machine in service including the following;
1. motor spares/wire/connectors/weatherproof splices
2. belting
3. mechanical splices
4. bearing inventory/taper locks/keystock
5. pulleys/pulley lagging
6. roller chain spares, including
replacement roller chain/replacement chain links/sprockets
7. reduction gearboxes/gearbox seals/gaskets/replacement coupler spares/keystock/set screws
8. spare flight chain and buckets for specific reclaimers
9. replacement idler wheels for bucket reclaimers
10. spare digging teeth if used on plow conveyors
11. spare hydraulic pumps and rebuilding parts for same
12. oil filter inventory
13. nuts, bolts, etc.
The problem has become one of spares costing as it cost more money to maintain any type of inventory in large quantity as some wear parts may not be used for years and some parts are immediately expensed which affects the net income of the operator.
Any operation that uses the faster machinery life expensing depreciation schedules may or may not expense the spare parts immediately upon thier becoming inventory.
Decisions about inventory have become one of profit and loss rather than using the machinery builders recommended stocking level of parts inventory which can and will effect operating hours if parts must be ordered for overnight delivery.
It would serve you better to personally visit the major builders and introduce yourself to them and ask to speak to someone in the specific department. ■
Information
Dear John,
i'll join those telling you to try a personal approach and would like to add that you could probably use links/connections/relationships of your chair or any chair who could be approached through your university.
Please be aware that the sole mentioning of "no public disclosure" will maybe not be convincing, as this is legally tricky and a "leak" who left university will not longer be bound by any such agreement, leave alone the problem of control.
I personally don't think that you could get any useful information from any global manufacturer just like that, this kind of information being a very valuable asset in an order negotiation anywhere in the world.
Nevertheless with best wishes for a successfull master thesis
Regards
R. ■
Bulk Material Stacker/Reclaimers
There is a new technology you may want to consider. The Walker Reclaimer (pat pend) provides for an unlimited amount of bulk material to be stored and reclaimed without the use of mobile equipment. It is also applicable to reclaim of material from barges and ships eliminating the need for unloading equipment.
Please check www.picor.biz for more information.
Tony ■
Re: Details On Stacker / Reclaimers Needed
Thank you for all the replies. It helped me a lot.
Maybe in the future a detailed research can be started on the investment + maintenance cost of these machines, as they are too dificult to evaluate on the global scale.
Thank you again and if there are contact persons you know of the different global manufacturers, I am willing to get in (personal) contact.
John ■
Re: Details On Stacker / Reclaimers Needed
Hello,
You can write to manufacturers of stacker, reclaimer and stacker-cum-reclaimer machines to send their published business purpose leaflets / catalogues about their installed / supplied machines, which is likely to have some of the information you are looking for. Possibly, you may also get such information from their website. Obviously, these will not have all the information mentioned by you, that too in your format.
As regarding reclaimers, there are quite a few types, which would have differing prices and application.
Regarding maintenance aspects, you can refer to some users of the machines, known by you.
Regards,
Ishwar G. Mulani
Author of Book: Engineering Science And Application Design For Belt Conveyors (new print November, 2012)
Author of Book: Belt Feeder Design And Hopper Bin Silo
Advisor / Consultant for Bulk Material Handling System & Issues.
Pune, India.
Tel.: 0091 (0)20 25871916
Email: conveyor.ishwar.mulani@gmail.com
Website: www.conveyor.ishwarmulani.com ■
Details on Stacker / Reclaimers Needed
Technical details on Stackers, Reclaimers and Stacker/Reclaimers
I am engaged in research on the operation and design of dry bulk terminals. The intent of the initiated research is to gather detailed information of existing dry bulk terminals and to derive general design guidelines for future dry bulk terminal designs.
Currently I am investigating details of dry bulk stockyard storing equipment. I aim to gather detailed information and to make an overview of available stackers, reclaimers and stacker/reclaimers.
I will be very pleased if you bulk-online forum users are able to help me to get some details of your machines.
Is it maybe possible to get some more details (than publised on the manufacture's websites) of for example some existing stackers, some existing reclaimers and some existing stacker/reclaimers? I am interested in the detailed characteristics (e.g. brochures) concerning:
· Capacity
· Boom length
· Rail gauge
· Installed power
· Travel length
· Pile shape and pile height
· Belt width and belt speed
· The number of active stackers worldwide
· Manning per stacker per shift
· Investment costs
· Maintenance costs (Estimated)
· Value of the spare parts depot (Estimated)
I will be very pleased if you are able to help me.
Thank you in advance.
Illustration added by Administrator as an example only:
Stacker/Reclaimer ■