Modulus Testing

Posted in: , on 16. Oct. 2006 - 21:17

Where can I get reputable, independent, pay per incident ISO9856 testing on conveyor belting?

"ISO 9856:2003 : Conveyor belts - Determination of elastic and permanent elongation and calculation of elastic modulus"

Thanks,

Andrew Butterworth

AFM Industries

AFM Industries 345 Marwood Drive Oshawa, Ontario Canada L1H 7P8 abutterworth@ afmindustries.com PHO: 905-443-0150 FAX: 905-443-0155

Re: Modulus Testing

Posted on 17. Oct. 2006 - 09:30

Dear Andrew,

Belt elastic modulus is not single valued. It is dependent on the following:

1. tension or compression deformation - very non-linear

2. temperature can have extreme effect into the glass transition and is very non-linear see or papers on E';E"

3. histogram changes with use including Payne effect or Mullins effect

4. strain-rate can alter modulus such as cyclic frequency response and strain values can change the modulus

5. modulus can change with change in density which can be dependent on the above

What are you studying? How will you apply the knowledge?

Lawrence Nordell Conveyor Dynamics, Inc. website, email & phone contacts: www.conveyor-dynamics.com nordell@conveyor-dynamics.com phone: USA 360-671-2200 fax: USA 360-671-8450

Iso9856

Posted on 17. Oct. 2006 - 03:51

Larry,

Thanks for your response.

I am not in a position to question the methodology of ISO with regards to their standard. I am sure they took much, if not all of this into consideration when developing their standard and even if they didn’t I still must follow their standard to allow me to compare my findings to others who used the same standard of testing.

Providing I find a reputable testing lab who can follow the standard I should be able to say that under ISO9856 my findings can be generally compared to other ISO9856 findings.

To do anything more may make them more relevant but less comparable.

So the question still remains who in the world can perform ISO9856 testing?

AFM Industries 345 Marwood Drive Oshawa, Ontario Canada L1H 7P8 abutterworth@ afmindustries.com PHO: 905-443-0150 FAX: 905-443-0155

Re: Modulus Testing

Posted on 17. Oct. 2006 - 04:41

Akron Rubber Development Laboratory, Inc.

Drummond, Jim ............................................ 330-434-6664

VP Physical Testing, Research & Development

300 Kenmore Blvd., Akron, OH 44301

FAX ............................................................... 330-434-8668

Lawrence Nordell Conveyor Dynamics, Inc. website, email & phone contacts: www.conveyor-dynamics.com nordell@conveyor-dynamics.com phone: USA 360-671-2200 fax: USA 360-671-8450

Re: Modulus Testing

Posted on 17. Oct. 2006 - 04:50

As a side note:

If you take the same sample, at the same temperature, and execute the tensile modulus test with the exact same specifications, you will not obtain the same result. The higher the pulling force, the greater the difference in subsequent measurements.

I do not dispute you interest and your need to apply the procedure, I only wish to inform on some mysteries that may come to light. Polymers do not behave in similar ways to metals.

In a court of law, the properties need a comprehensive qualification, if they are applied to a question of engineering.

Lawrence Nordell Conveyor Dynamics, Inc. website, email & phone contacts: www.conveyor-dynamics.com nordell@conveyor-dynamics.com phone: USA 360-671-2200 fax: USA 360-671-8450

Re: Modulus Testing

Posted on 17. Oct. 2006 - 04:59

Thanks,

Interesting information.

AFM Industries 345 Marwood Drive Oshawa, Ontario Canada L1H 7P8 abutterworth@ afmindustries.com PHO: 905-443-0150 FAX: 905-443-0155