Wood chip silo bridging

Bob Westergaard
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Posted in: , on 27. Mar. 2004 - 02:06

I would appreciate any advice or help with wood chip silo problems that we are currently having. We are having tremendous difficulty with bridging and ratholing in our chip silos. Particulary troublesome are our silos containg SPF (spruce pine fir) sourced from the interior of our province. These chips are frozen in the winter.

The equipment we are running consists of 7 - 50.000 cubic feet concrete silos. Each silo has a steel cone section with an angle of 60degrees, a 12' diameter live bottom on bin activator and internally two intersecting I-beam loadbreaker cross bars mounted at the top of the steel cone section. There is also a "china hat" piece lower down at the top of the live bottom section.This is a small inverted cone to deflect material to the sides of the cone. we also use a pair of air rappers on each cone.

Most of the hangups occur above the live bottom, near the top of the cone section. In the winter they are so severe that we have resorted to using a skid steer loader with a rock breaker attachment . This attachment has been modified with a steel disk that we place against the silo wall and thump away. This works reasonbly well, but it is an unacceptable solution because of the damage it is causing to the silos. It is also causing noise complaints with the neighboring residents.

We have tried air cannons with little success. If anyone has any ideas about how to remedy our problems, I would appreciate hearing form them.

Thanks.

Re: Wood Chip Silo Bridging

Posted on 27. Mar. 2004 - 03:20

For the most difficult of materials we specify the Laidig unloader, which is basically a screw conveyor that rotates around the silo cone and will drag everything to the center outlet. Another unique feature is they will work on flat or cone bottom bins. Click http://www.laidig.com for the company website.

Delmar Schmidt

Melfi Technologies Inc.

www.melfitechnologies.com

mekessler
(not verified)

Wood Chip Bridging

Posted on 28. Mar. 2004 - 01:56

Your problem with bridging of wood chips is rather easy to solve. We have thousands of installation handling dry and green wood product. There is no problem handling dust, chips, hogged wood and bark with the Laidig reclaimer system.

Please supply yhour name, address and phone so we can discuss your site requirements and specifications. This way I can solve your problem the first time.

Mark Kessler

704-904-9672

Planetary Extractor

Posted on 29. Mar. 2004 - 09:06

Dear Bob:

For this product the adecuate design is a flat bottom silo with a planetary extractor.

You can consult the next adress:

http://www.starvrac.com

Good luck!

Fernando Arderus

Fight The Cause And Not The Symptoms

Posted on 29. Mar. 2004 - 09:31

dear Bob,

there´s only one way to remedy your troubles reliable:

A) a correct GEOMETRY of your silo (mainly specified by ANGLE OF HOPPER and SIZE OF OUTLET which has to be larger than the biggest bridge that is possible to occur)

B) a discharge aid that ensures an EVEN discharge of your wood chips OVER THE WHOLE OUTLET

GEROLDINGER has specialiced in the field of handling demanding bulk solids and solving difficult tasks for more than 30 years.

If you are interested in more back ground information regarding discharge problems like bridging .... look at www.geroldinger.com/e/bulksolidstechnology.html

GEROLDINGER is able to supply a reliable solution!

From the actual point of few we are sure that the angle of hopper must be increased up to 70 or 75 degrees.

Regarding the size of outlet we offer you a FREE analysis of the flowtechnical properties of your material to define the largest possible bridge. Finally we are able to work out, manufacture and mount a reliable solution.

Interested? We should be glad to hear from you!

Gottfried Zinkl

Geroldinger GmbH & Co KG

Bulk Solids Logistics - Plants

fon: +43 7766 24 37 - 35

Rdlaidig
(not verified)

The Laidig Reclaimer

Posted on 29. Mar. 2004 - 02:51

Laidig has provided thousands of silo reclaimers over the past 40 years to solve problems including many just like the one explained above. Come visit us www.laidig.com. Roger Laidig

MarceloGarcia
(not verified)

Response To Wood Chip Issue

Posted on 30. Mar. 2004 - 09:50

Mr. Westergaard:



My name is Marcelo Garcia, SystemTIVAR Engineering Manager of Poly Hi Solidur. Our Company is fully dedicated to the solutions of "flow problems" like the type you are experiencing today.

The arching and ratholing are flow problems related with the geometry, the internal surface of the silos and the flowability of the bulk material. Thus, as an example, if your silo doesn't have the minimum diameter (greater than the minimum to avoid arch) you will be facing this type of problems. On the other hand based on other parameters like flowability of your bulk material and the internal surface of your silo, you could be experiencing an internal flow pattern named "Funnel Flow." This flow patten creates "dead" areas of no movement of your material. This dead material with no movement could easily become frozen with the right temperatures.



The solution could be the implementation of a mass flow pattern in your silos. With the right geometry and the right liner all the material storage in the silo will be moving toward the outlet at the same time. This results in no "dead" areas able to be frozen.



It is our recommendation that you conduct a flow study on the bulk material you are currently dealing with in your silo. Our company could help to obtain this type of information for you. With this information our company could help you to implement all the necessary changes to solve your problems.



Best regards



Marcelo Garcia

Engineering Manager

Bulk Material Handling

System TIVAR Engineering

(260) 479-4320

(260) 4781074 (fax)

marcelo.garcia@menasha.com

Solving Bridging Problems In Vertical Silos

Posted on 1. Apr. 2004 - 04:18

Bob,

John Koorn here and I have just read your message.

When attempting to solve these types of problems that you describe in your posting you must take into account a number of issues. Issues such as material specfications, silo design, local weather conditions, process design of the material to be handled, duration of storage etc. All of these effect the outcome that you desire. Consequently no one application is identical.

Normally to understand the problem in detail a site visit and interview is required. Then with a detailed understanding of the application can one develop a site specific solution.

If you would like to discuss this further feel free to e-mail.

Sincerely,

John Koorn

John Koorn Western Sales Manager Laidig Systems Inc. 14535 Dragoon Trail Mishawaka, IN 46544 USA
simon shipp
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May Be We Can Advise

Posted on 13. Apr. 2004 - 04:33

I read with interest the comments made on your problem and hope you have soloved it.

Bob

We offer a very simple device that has been used successfully on a range of bulk materials, including woodchips for eliminating the issues you describe.

Below is a short extract lifted from our product data.

The Stock Circular Bin Discharger (SCBD) is a well proven and established positive discharge aid for hoppers and silos where the material to be handled has characteristics which make it difficult to discharge or control. A rotating arch breaker arm travels around the hopper bottom section of the silo breaking any bridge of material which may have formed.

If you would like us to look in more detail at the application please feel free to contact me

simon.shipp@stockequipment.com

Chris Close
(not verified)

Chip Bin Bridging

Posted on 14. Apr. 2004 - 05:18

I recieved a message from our tank supplier that you were having bridging problems in your chip silo. I have been supplying woodyard related equipment to hte P&P industry for over 20 years, so have heard of many similar problems like yours.

We offer equipment that can solve your problem. It has been being used for over 40 years and was specifically designed to solve the exact problem you are dealing with. The equipment is a traveling screw reclaimer. It was originally developed in Sweden. Today RADER. Co. offers the technology. We offer several versions of the equipment, made here in Noth America.

The equipment is designed to "sweep" the bottom of the silo, while extracting chips from the silo. By sweeping the bottom area of the silo it creates a fully active bottom and eliminates bridging and rat-holing.

The concept we would recommend, for your situation, is a flat floor screw reclaimer, which has the same diameter as the silo vertical wall. This will eliminate all bridging problems.

We have many references in Canada that can prove the success in cold climates (chips freezing to the wall, at the cone, creates a rough surface that allows bridging to compound).

If you would like, we can offer equipment solution. We will need additional info. to quote. Please reply if you want us to go further.

Regards, CC

Takaharu Sakata
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Solve Your Problem With Circle Feeder

Posted on 20. Apr. 2004 - 06:49

Bob san,

An ideal solution is provided with the Circle Feeder made by Yoshikawa,Japan. Although our feeders are not unfortunately well known outside Japan, ours are the most popular discharger in Japan selling more than 5,000 units. We are specialized in discharging very difficult-to-discharge materials including woodchips, cotton, titanium dioxide, etc......

Believe it or not, we will demonstrate in front of you our discharger with your material for free of charge.

We have agents in America and Europe. If you want to know how our feeder works and why it is possible to discharge your material successfully, visit the following website and e-mail to contact.

http://www.circlefeeder.com

Thank you for your quick attention,

Re: Wood Chip Silo Bridging

Posted on 20. Apr. 2004 - 10:15

In my opinion, your most economical solution is to use an external pneumatic conveying loop. This loop will always keep the wood chips in motion. This movement will prevent arching and bridging. You can use your present silo as it is now.

Amrit Agarwal

Pneumatic Conveying Consultants

Wood Chip Silo Bridging

Posted on 21. Apr. 2004 - 07:16

Bob,

Have you seen the (4) SHW chip silos at Harmac? They work very well. They were installed as part of the CTS project there in 1997. Sandwell was the engineering company on that project. Also, you may want to look at the chip silo conversion at Crofton.

I have other experience with concrete chip silos equipped with table feeders and bin activators and thoroughly understand your problems and frustrations.

We have done a lot of work at the Powell River mill and are familiar with your equipment. (Actually, I was on-site last week.)

If we can be of help with a study or detail design, please contact me.

Paul Janze

Email: pjanze@sandwell.com

Bridging

Posted on 21. Apr. 2004 - 11:35

Bob,

Sounds like U are stuck with what U have got and U need to develop a solution that has the least cost and work well.

In Australia, we have a facility in the Newcastle Univervisty called TUNRA - these guys do shear and other sim. tests in order to derive key bin/silo design dimensions/criteria.

I would say that they have not done nay testing on frozen wood chips but U could ask them for some input.

To prevent bridging, U will need an outlet diameter/size whihc will not support bridging at all.

Installing a full width screw sounds great but it the chips bridge the full silo diameter - then U are no better off. I have no experience in wood chips but other materials. But, it soulds like that this would not be the case as U can get flow when promoted by the jackhammer.

The level in the silo could be adding to the problem - higher compaction pressure > greater propensity to consolidate and bridge. If this is the case, a continious recirc. system could help or having procedures to limit fill and stored time.

Air cannons are a treatment of a sympton - they do work but U really need to have them fitted in the right spot. So, if money is an issue...U could try and determine the best location for them.

U could try heating if the chips are really frozen to the wall or pre dry them...aim would be to stop the moisture freezing the chips together. Again.....U would know if this is really a viable option.

Cheers

James

Re: Wood Chip Silo Bridging

Posted on 11. May. 2004 - 03:02

Bob:

The wood ship is a coarse bulk solid, an for this case the most recomended solution is to use a forced system like Laiding. This kind of materials are no spherical particles; the shape is irregular, in some cases the particle are thin and long and it produce intelocking between them to promote the bride. The phenomena increase the internal strenght and the angle of internal friction increase. Also the aparent density is sometimes low and whit the head increase in the silo, the density change and the flow preperties are modify strongly; the humidity also is a problem because of the cohesion increas and the wal friction increase. Sometimes the vibration is in detriment of the flow; the particles adquire better arregement among them and the interlocking increase. Communly the hopper solution neded a high discharge orifice and no more tha 25 degrees in hopper. A 2d hopper could give us better results. The particle coarse surface makes difficult the internal shear and stop de continuos strain.

M. Knowlton
(not verified)

Re: Wood Chip Silo Bridging

Posted on 24. May. 2004 - 05:25

Monitor Technologies offers a low cost solution to your situation. We manufacture, market and sell bin-aerators which will eliminate the bridging. Feel free to contact me with pricing, delivery and references. Feel free to visit our web-site, www.monitortech.com

Mike Knowlton

Regional Sales Manager

Monitor Technologies

800-766-6486

rousseau franck
(not verified)

Re: Wood Chip Silo Bridging

Posted on 1. Apr. 2010 - 05:54

The solution is to use a Morillon unloader

it is hydraulic powered equipments so you can reach higher torque with less maintenance

www.morillon.eu